New Envoy Information
11-18-2016, 08:28 AM
#5921
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 854
Originally Posted by Rob12345
The lines I'm gonna get might suck, but the pay and benifits are so so much better than where I came from, I'm willing to put up with it.
I guess it just depends on how you define QOL, but I needed pay and
benifits first, the lines I'll have to suffer like everyone else.
I guess it just depends on how you define QOL, but I needed pay and
benifits first, the lines I'll have to suffer like everyone else.
11-18-2016, 03:56 PM
#5923
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Violin on the Envoy-tanic
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by cbrittle
So without knowing me and all me previous success in business you'll diagnose me by remote control as having SHS? Lol! I've hired and fired a number of guys just like you. All talk and short on delivery. The airline biz is my second career for fun!I just left an airline because it was incapable of improving; no resources and an inability of a process of continuous improvement. You clearly have issues with Envoy....why are you here? Are you afraid to quit?..... I find comical listening to raskels like you habitually complain but do nothing about it..... Instead of resolving important conflicts in your professional career you'll choose to waste your time here.
If you really do have previous experience in business, then you of all people should understand that a truly successful business is dependant on happy and productive employees. Unfortunately, due to the adversarial nature of the airline industry as a whole, the inadequacy of the RLA to address modern issues in a timely fashion, and the attitude of US Air and now AAG management toward their own employees, there is a deep rift at envoy between management and the front line employees. CR700's dismissive attitude toward those of us that dare challenge his narrative is a prime example of this. Instead of even pretending to care about the concerns of employees and addressing them, he simply calls us liars. Why do myself and others come on to APC at all? Because we have tried to bring our concerns to management through normal and union channels, and this is the attitude we encounter. We're told that things like QOL aren't really an issue, because "no one is complaining except for the vocal minority" when in reality, the average front line employees have simply given up hope that management is listening. I'm here because I refuse to stand by and let people like CR700 lie through omission to new hires. Anyone that is prepared to invest several years of their life working here needs to understand what they are getting themselves into, and have the whole picture.
I also suppose I have some fleeting hope that I'll push enough buttons that someone at Centerport or envoy headquarters leaves their cubical long enough to talk to the people they are supposed to be leading. Did you know that envoy doesn't even conduct exit interviews to find out WHY employees are leaving?
11-18-2016, 04:02 PM
#5924
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: Part 91 Global Express CA
Posts: 79
How is Envoy’s pre-employment medical and physical examination (such as visual and auditory testing and drug testing). Regular medical/visual like 1st class medical or something different?
11-18-2016, 04:02 PM
#5925
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
Ok folks, sayonara. I'm signing off. I'm flowing in the next few months and, in an effort to preserve my anonymity, am going to sign off here now to avoid pinning myself to a specific class date. I'm not going to stick around like some of these other guys and moan about a place I no longer have a stake in. I just don't have the time to peruse these forums anymore, lousy schedules and commuting consume my time and I don't need any extra negativity in my life.
That said, here are some final thoughts about Eagle (I'm not parting under that other name):
How long did it take?
~16 years.
Was it worth it?
The people I worked with have been awesome. I have favorite captains I'll never see again, Fo's I hope to see flow up behind me. The company itself? Maybe Eagle lived a sheltered life, but watching the decline of the airline, especially the last several years, had been brutal and painful. I used to have a great schedule and just didn't know it until I got to see what a lousy schedule was. We never suffered unilateral changes to our contract. Reserve wasn't as brutal. You could have a life.
That's changed. I don't feel like that's the case at this time (as a commuter). If I left under the same relative terms I spent my first decade here under I would say it was 100% ok, would do again. These last several years have sucked. My time is gone. My pay is lower. My commute stinks. If I had a choice at a different regional that offered better schedules, same advancement, and to live in base I'd be hard pressed to make a decision. The only thing that would attract me to ENY is the flow. Tough choice, everyone. I can't make that choice for you.
That said:
The flow worked. I'm outta here in a few months. Done. Gone. Last job I'll ever have. Best thing ever, I'm incredibly excited that it's finally working out.
I cannot wait to get out of here, and I mean that I every way possible.
If you've got questions, I'll answer them for a while, then I'm deleting my account.
Good luck to all. See you on the other side.
That said, here are some final thoughts about Eagle (I'm not parting under that other name):
How long did it take?
~16 years.
Was it worth it?
The people I worked with have been awesome. I have favorite captains I'll never see again, Fo's I hope to see flow up behind me. The company itself? Maybe Eagle lived a sheltered life, but watching the decline of the airline, especially the last several years, had been brutal and painful. I used to have a great schedule and just didn't know it until I got to see what a lousy schedule was. We never suffered unilateral changes to our contract. Reserve wasn't as brutal. You could have a life.
That's changed. I don't feel like that's the case at this time (as a commuter). If I left under the same relative terms I spent my first decade here under I would say it was 100% ok, would do again. These last several years have sucked. My time is gone. My pay is lower. My commute stinks. If I had a choice at a different regional that offered better schedules, same advancement, and to live in base I'd be hard pressed to make a decision. The only thing that would attract me to ENY is the flow. Tough choice, everyone. I can't make that choice for you.
That said:
The flow worked. I'm outta here in a few months. Done. Gone. Last job I'll ever have. Best thing ever, I'm incredibly excited that it's finally working out.
I cannot wait to get out of here, and I mean that I every way possible.
If you've got questions, I'll answer them for a while, then I'm deleting my account.
Good luck to all. See you on the other side.
11-19-2016, 05:44 AM
#5926
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Ok folks, sayonara. I'm signing off. I'm flowing in the next few months and, in an effort to preserve my anonymity, am going to sign off here now to avoid pinning myself to a specific class date. I'm not going to stick around like some of these other guys and moan about a place I no longer have a stake in. I just don't have the time to peruse these forums anymore, lousy schedules and commuting consume my time and I don't need any extra negativity in my life.
That said, here are some final thoughts about Eagle (I'm not parting under that other name):
How long did it take?
~16 years.
Was it worth it?
The people I worked with have been awesome. I have favorite captains I'll never see again, Fo's I hope to see flow up behind me. The company itself? Maybe Eagle lived a sheltered life, but watching the decline of the airline, especially the last several years, had been brutal and painful. I used to have a great schedule and just didn't know it until I got to see what a lousy schedule was. We never suffered unilateral changes to our contract. Reserve wasn't as brutal. You could have a life.
That's changed. I don't feel like that's the case at this time (as a commuter). If I left under the same relative terms I spent my first decade here under I would say it was 100% ok, would do again. These last several years have sucked. My time is gone. My pay is lower. My commute stinks. If I had a choice at a different regional that offered better schedules, same advancement, and to live in base I'd be hard pressed to make a decision. The only thing that would attract me to ENY is the flow. Tough choice, everyone. I can't make that choice for you.
That said:
The flow worked. I'm outta here in a few months. Done. Gone. Last job I'll ever have. Best thing ever, I'm incredibly excited that it's finally working out.
I cannot wait to get out of here, and I mean that I every way possible.
If you've got questions, I'll answer them for a while, then I'm deleting my account.
Good luck to all. See you on the other side.
That said, here are some final thoughts about Eagle (I'm not parting under that other name):
How long did it take?
~16 years.
Was it worth it?
The people I worked with have been awesome. I have favorite captains I'll never see again, Fo's I hope to see flow up behind me. The company itself? Maybe Eagle lived a sheltered life, but watching the decline of the airline, especially the last several years, had been brutal and painful. I used to have a great schedule and just didn't know it until I got to see what a lousy schedule was. We never suffered unilateral changes to our contract. Reserve wasn't as brutal. You could have a life.
That's changed. I don't feel like that's the case at this time (as a commuter). If I left under the same relative terms I spent my first decade here under I would say it was 100% ok, would do again. These last several years have sucked. My time is gone. My pay is lower. My commute stinks. If I had a choice at a different regional that offered better schedules, same advancement, and to live in base I'd be hard pressed to make a decision. The only thing that would attract me to ENY is the flow. Tough choice, everyone. I can't make that choice for you.
That said:
The flow worked. I'm outta here in a few months. Done. Gone. Last job I'll ever have. Best thing ever, I'm incredibly excited that it's finally working out.
I cannot wait to get out of here, and I mean that I every way possible.
If you've got questions, I'll answer them for a while, then I'm deleting my account.
Good luck to all. See you on the other side.
11-19-2016, 06:24 AM
#5927
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
If the airlines really are your second career, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. Are you familiar with the concept of portability of labor? In every other industry, highly trained individuals have the ability to ask for market wages commensurate with their education, record, and years of experience should they choose to switch job locations or employers. Due to the incomplete deregulation of our industry and the unionization, airline pilots don't have that ability. As you are finding out by switching airlines, one has to start over from the beginning. When you get 5 or 10 years of your life INVESTED in an airline, switching employers isn't nearly as easy as you suggest.
If you really do have previous experience in business, then you of all people should understand that a truly successful business is dependant on happy and productive employees. Unfortunately, due to the adversarial nature of the airline industry as a whole, the inadequacy of the RLA to address modern issues in a timely fashion, and the attitude of US Air and now AAG management toward their own employees, there is a deep rift at envoy between management and the front line employees. CR700's dismissive attitude toward those of us that dare challenge his narrative is a prime example of this. Instead of even pretending to care about the concerns of employees and addressing them, he simply calls us liars. Why do myself and others come on to APC at all? Because we have tried to bring our concerns to management through normal and union channels, and this is the attitude we encounter. We're told that things like QOL aren't really an issue, because "no one is complaining except for the vocal minority" when in reality, the average front line employees have simply given up hope that management is listening. I'm here because I refuse to stand by and let people like CR700 lie through omission to new hires. Anyone that is prepared to invest several years of their life working here needs to understand what they are getting themselves into, and have the whole picture.
I also suppose I have some fleeting hope that I'll push enough buttons that someone at Centerport or envoy headquarters leaves their cubical long enough to talk to the people they are supposed to be leading. Did you know that envoy doesn't even conduct exit interviews to find out WHY employees are leaving?
If you really do have previous experience in business, then you of all people should understand that a truly successful business is dependant on happy and productive employees. Unfortunately, due to the adversarial nature of the airline industry as a whole, the inadequacy of the RLA to address modern issues in a timely fashion, and the attitude of US Air and now AAG management toward their own employees, there is a deep rift at envoy between management and the front line employees. CR700's dismissive attitude toward those of us that dare challenge his narrative is a prime example of this. Instead of even pretending to care about the concerns of employees and addressing them, he simply calls us liars. Why do myself and others come on to APC at all? Because we have tried to bring our concerns to management through normal and union channels, and this is the attitude we encounter. We're told that things like QOL aren't really an issue, because "no one is complaining except for the vocal minority" when in reality, the average front line employees have simply given up hope that management is listening. I'm here because I refuse to stand by and let people like CR700 lie through omission to new hires. Anyone that is prepared to invest several years of their life working here needs to understand what they are getting themselves into, and have the whole picture.
I also suppose I have some fleeting hope that I'll push enough buttons that someone at Centerport or envoy headquarters leaves their cubical long enough to talk to the people they are supposed to be leading. Did you know that envoy doesn't even conduct exit interviews to find out WHY employees are leaving?
11-19-2016, 08:49 AM
#5928
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 366
Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I've thought about it, but I know that I will be on reserve for awhile, and until I get the hang of commuting along with the hotel allowance it might be best to have a place to go that will always be there (especially when ORD takes a dump and there aren't any hotels).
11-19-2016, 09:30 AM
#5930
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 92
Originally Posted by prydb
How is Envoy’s pre-employment medical and physical examination (such as visual and auditory testing and drug testing). Regular medical/visual like 1st class medical or something different?
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