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Old 10-27-2016, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pntbllr233 View Post
Sorry for interrupting the current union talk at hand, but I've got a quick question. Can someone occupy the cockpit jumpseat while in jeans? I know it seems like a dumb question, but I've never done this before. I had something pop up last minute and I need to get back home and that's all I brought with me. Looks like all the flights home are full so I'd like to try for the jumpseat if it's available. It says first class attire and per the nonrev policy I just looked at it says neat, clean jeans are considered first class attire, but I don't think I've ever seen someone jumpseat up front in jeans. I was wondering if that would be an issue if I show up and introduce myself and ask for a ride in jeans. Thank you.
Had a similar situation. Go to the captain and beg and plead your case. I got on the JS in jeans.
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Old 10-27-2016, 03:51 PM
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You guys haven't seen anything--at least you didn't have Homer and the East Texas Mafia to deal with. The sheep are still skittish.
Ahhh, homer and the east texas mafia, the biggest screw job to the then eagle pilots.
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Old 10-27-2016, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Smutter View Post
The program we were testing before, was horrible. I used one for 6 years elsewhere, the program the union and company said was good, was not. Let's hope it's not that program again.
The software works with the pairings and work rules you have, if the pairings aren't adequate and the workrukes are lacking it doesn't matter what software and who controls it... the end result will suck.

It's all about the work rules and pairings. Why do you think the last LOA tried to spin the "we control the pairings", to lead you to believe that you controlled most of the process. Don't focus on the software or who controls it, focused on what drives the software and those that operate it. Work rules are the single most important aspect affecting PBS if ever implemented at ENY.
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Old 10-27-2016, 04:54 PM
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Min pay 5 hours per day will help with pbs to work better.
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:05 PM
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Yes! PBS for a a duty rig of 5 hours a day. I'm all in! Make my 30 hour OKC overnight more envoyable.
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pntbllr233 View Post
Sorry for interrupting the current union talk at hand, but I've got a quick question. Can someone occupy the cockpit jumpseat while in jeans? I know it seems like a dumb question, but I've never done this before. I had something pop up last minute and I need to get back home and that's all I brought with me. Looks like all the flights home are full so I'd like to try for the jumpseat if it's available. It says first class attire and per the nonrev policy I just looked at it says neat, clean jeans are considered first class attire, but I don't think I've ever seen someone jumpseat up front in jeans. I was wondering if that would be an issue if I show up and introduce myself and ask for a ride in jeans. Thank you.
I think it's in the FM1 that we aren't to wear jeans. It's all going to depend on the captain. I have seen guys JS in jeans but not often.
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:32 PM
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Why chance it? Take a quick trip to 24 hr Wally World and get some $12 khakis. Good to go
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:14 PM
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That's understandable. When I started at Eagle, it was one of the "good" regionals. They've fallen behind, so I can't say I'd make the same decision today.


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Old 10-28-2016, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by moon View Post
Pretty sure Pagey is at PSA. He is not saying the Envoy MEC is meeting about it, the PSA MEC is the one forming the group.
My bad, I was trying to figure out where the hell that info was in an email
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Old 10-28-2016, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by What View Post
The software works with the pairings and work rules you have, if the pairings aren't adequate and the workrukes are lacking it doesn't matter what software and who controls it... the end result will suck.

It's all about the work rules and pairings. Why do you think the last LOA tried to spin the "we control the pairings", to lead you to believe that you controlled most of the process. Don't focus on the software or who controls it, focused on what drives the software and those that operate it. Work rules are the single most important aspect affecting PBS if ever implemented at ENY.
I get that, I'm just saying the coding on the software was crap.

As far as work rules, we won't get any. The union will get some little nugget, then say we need to take this now and fix rules later, only to never get good rules.
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