RyanP

30 January 2016

Fellow Pilots,

This week we learned that February’s flow-through to American would fall short of the requisite 50% by 5 pilots. Preliminary, unconfirmed information also indicates that subsequent months may be metered below half as well.

As you know, Letter 15-01 was agreed upon in December 2014 by both parties, and provided that “upon delivery of the first EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D and assuming 824 pilots have not yet flowed through to AA at that time, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 30 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to Envoy pilots until a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA.”

The parties’ agreements go on to say that, “the intent is to provide 50% of the AA new hire training slots to 824 AE pilots in such a way that AE operation is not disrupted.”

Under the present circumstances – wherein Envoy pilots are witnessing zero time lines, part time lines, hard lines falling short of guarantee, and reserve coverage that equates nearly half of the pilot group – there is no basis to conclude that awarding the required 50% of the AA new hire class slots to Envoy pilots would disrupt Envoy’s operation.

The Association recognizes and appreciates that there were months in 2015 where Envoy sent more pilots than were required. It has been expressed to us that there may be months later in 2016 where the minimum required monthly flow will be exceeded. While that is welcome news, we also expect that the fundamental standard of 50% for each class will be followed or exceeded. Additionally, as our staffing situation currently affords the ability to send more than 30 pilots per month, outpacing the overriding requirement of “50% ratio in aggregate over time” would be a matter of prudent planning. It is possible that a major shift in headcount or an increase to our fleet plan may eventually drive a future need to meter, however that time is not presently upon us.

While we strongly desire to work cooperatively alongside management within the framework of our binding agreements for the continued success of both Envoy and the pilots, we also need management to demonstrate its commitment to fulfill or exceed its responsibility under our agreements. We urge management to recognize the value of meeting or exceeding expectations – instead of engendering negativity – and allowing our flow-through to realize maximum potential as a retention and recruitment tool among those who should be its largest supporters: current Envoy pilots.

In unity,

Envoy MEC


Air Line Pilots Association, International

eaglefly

Yup.

I think they are allowing management to define the interpretation of that LOA unanswered and that's how managements interpretations become precedent. If they don't know how many AA intends to hire, how can the "50%" requirement be met at any given point in time ? The idea that "truing up" AKA "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" at some later date meets such a requirement is absurd, also considering the value of said transfer to AA is diluted due to loss of seniority if it occurs later at some mythical point. The claim of "disruption" is preposterous considering it is only 5 pilots combined with Envoy's grotesque over staffing (which this BTW claims near 50% reserve coverage as I previously stated, but was supposedly corrected to "the high 20's") and to simply put out another impotent blast to the pilots amounting to a hat in hand "aw shucks, won't you please treat us better and honor your contract" statement should be an embarrassment to those pilots represented by this latest group of flaccid enablers.

Again, in referencing Envoy's own advertisement on this forum stating, "...with Envoy guaranteed to make up half of all of American's new-hire classes.". One really has to ask that if they are representing that definition to the pilot world, why is Envoy ALPA not requiring them to defend that in a grievance hearing ?

ORDinary

I couldn't agree more. But just because it is a long shot I still believe it is worth fighting. The original 824 award is proof that the stakes are high, and we don't always lose.

DaCowboys

How many started class today? Thanks!

Eaglepilot84

I couldn't agree more with everything said above. Those that are on this forum claiming "it's only 5 pilots, relax" are blind to the smoke and mirror show taking place.

New-hires...STAY AWAY!!! Go somewhere else where at least the Kool-aid is strong. Here at envoy, we've already come to the realization what that bitter taste in the kool-aid really is.

FlameNSky

Hmmmm.... New User, account only after for 45 days. 100% of your post discrediting the Flow and telling others that, "As an active, envoy pilot", stay away from envoy. Yeah, not a troll account at all.

Skyvector

ag3XX needed yet another account after getting his pee pee slapped by the mods.

envoy1

I am new at Envoy and in class now. During the indoc we were told by management that upgrading in 2 1/2 years is indeed still very much today's reality for all of us in the room. In addition, the flow could go even lower than 6 years as it stands now. Envoy is a great place to land!

AdiosMikeFox

Hopefully someone will chime in with some useful info in this sea of vultures and trolls. Wish I could tell you.

ChickHicks

Who is doing ground school and how many in class?