MrRoss

Is This True? I've been saying this since last year. When they return flow stops, isn't there like 800 left who can choose to come back until May?

Inform a non envoy bloke if you will

mr25cents

For some folks, the worst case scenario is the most likely scenario (not talking about you here). The flow will probably stop for 2-3 months depending how many recalls decide to come back. The consensus is that the majority of them will NOT come back. Somewhere between 100-200 recalls is a reasonable number I think, but we'll see.

AdiosMikeFox

What Mr25cents says.

Eaglefly and agXXX take any negative that happens here at ENY and spin it into the thermonuclear detonation of all things ENY in the next 48 hours.

Where they aren't wrong: The latest actions by ENY management are BS. This is underhanded. Management has re-interpreted or carte blanche parts of the contract as they see fit to the detriment of the crews here. Most recently the flow, and most painfully our lines and reserve system.

Where they are just tools: The endless predictions of the collapse of ENY. The complete stop of the flow. The endless hyperbole. The repetition of the same points over and over with added hyperbole.

The question is how many will return. Estimates at AA have indicated 150-300 depending on who you talk to. I've run in to a few AA pilots at other airlines, I imagine some are places they don't want to be and will return. Some have no desire to leave, they're good with where they've been for the last decade plus and have no wish to start over. Some have a serious internal debate, they like where they are, have a good schedule and good QOL but maybe the lifetime earnings aren't there. They have a big decision to make.

We won't know until it they start coming back how many will elect to return.

ENY isn't going anywhere. The flow WILL stop, this has been known because of the Letter T pilots. The flow will RESUME once the returning AA pilots are done. It isn't some massive shock and surprise like the resident trolls would have everyone believe.

Crawl

eaglefly

Almost 900. The previous belief was perhaps 100-150 would return, but last I heard was a "200-400" guess. That still means most won't, but I believe more will then anticipated previously, so my guess would be toward the upper limit of the more recent range or perhaps 350 or so. That will likely mean most, if not all of the latter half of 2016 will be all Letter T.

To be fair, I suppose they could meter those pilots in with both streeties and flows, but any way you look at it, I don't see 300 flowing to AA this year from Envoy. It would be in their best interest to ensure Envoy was as stable as possible through the Summer months anyways in case outside attrition spikes and/or Envoy continues its pinch-hitter role of carrying the other WO's water while they build up strength.

eaglefly

That's the disconnect that is fueling the present uproar. It is occurring mostly because many have deluded themselves into believing overly optimistic expectations and now that reality has arrived, it is a jolt. My point all along was to not buy into the rosy projections of Envoy or the sugary, pancreas bursting sales pitches of some here. Considering history, the best tack IMO is healthy skepticism to blunt the inevitable disappointment that occurs from Pollyanna meets Envoy which has really never happened. Those who didn't buy it and said so were showered in rocks by those who either did or those who sold.

Caveat Emptor.

buddies8

it is not like they were not told before, that the numbers wont become a reality and that the flow can be reduced and stopped at any time. do not look at the retirements look what management is doing. American still has 3-4 things to complete,
1 seniority integration
2 fleet renewal
3 PBS
4 DOJ agreement expiring this year
these 4 will give American an average of 30 percent LESS staffing requirements, ergo flow minimized or comes to a stop for a few years.

or be a charlie bucket.

eaglefly

Supposed to have a reduction of close to 40 A/C this year at AA which will more than offset expected retirements on both sides of the fence. A lot of the best components of the "synergies" of this merger have yet to be implemented.

Eaglepilot84

And now for some more fantastic news at envoy...after repeatedly being told that schedules would improve by March, it has been leaked that the schedules are "the worst we've ever seen."

These lies from Tricky Ricky have become jokes with bad punch lines. Stay tuned to see how bad they actually are when they are published in a few days...

joek

What are your lines like? Credit-days off?