Waitingformins

Bud, I wouldn't be so optimistic, this already smells like the Pinnacle BK, AAG could easily buy them and drop the other carriers flying and merge them with you. Same thing with AWAC and PSA next year when their revenue plummets.

boiler07

I'm far from optimistic, and while anything is possible, I try to apply some logic to the situation.

Why would AAG want to add in a bunch of pilots who are already at envoy pay caps? Why not get them at 1st year pay instead?

If we've learned one thing from watching new hires pick airlines, it's that they want to go were the growth is. Create the growth and they will come. PSA was the perfect example. Once PSA's numbers started tapering off, PDT was ready and waiting for their big moment with the 145s. Sensing a pattern here?

eaglefly

I disagree. First of all, RAH consolidation is simply ONE option, but I think it's the most likely. It's not the ONLY option.

No, the pilots are NOT "clearly identified" (by name). It is a contractual provision and just like your management has proven MULTIPLE times in just the last year or two alone, it is subject to interpretation. Considering the position Envoy is in with most of its fleet of limited lifespan, it will be easy for AAG to craft a "win-win" scenario for all pilots in such a scenario. but compromise will be necessary. Not interested in that ?

Fine, but you know what and how AAG can play you and you won't like it.

Actually, it is MUCH easier to merge (and most likely something a judge would go for). Mergers are more then just about aircraft, they are about assets (pilots being one), infrastructure, market share and capital valuation. It's actually much simpler then you think.

eaglefly

Why not ?

AMR did the EXACT same thing with Business Express in the late 1990's. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

eaglefly

Because too many would leave and the transition would be far too unstable. Investors don't like instability in acquisitions. Too many other assets would be lost in the shuffle as well and the valuation wouldn't hold up in court as the best reorganization plan.

boiler07

You're right. It's not by name. It's defined as pilots "added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011."

AdiosMikeFox

Yes and no.

Some of the flow is awarded to pilots who were on the property at the time. Anything after that is fair game if the contract is changed.

boiler07

Do you have a law degree?

boiler07

Correct. Everyone hired after October 11th, 2011.

eaglefly

Which is NEGOTIABLE by your Collective Bargaining Representative. Again, you don't have to play, but in this situation, the likely alternative presented to Envoy would be worse for Envoy pilots. Parker and Glass will know JUST how to play such a situation, you can be sure of that.

If you do some research, you'll note multiple instances in the past where Eagle/Envoy MEC's have been in the situation of choosing the best of two bad options. The consolidation option I'm talking about anyway ISN'T with Envoy and so your CBA may not be the issue. If they are merged with PSA (or less likely Piedmont), then Parker is closer to his "balanced" regional ideal. The flow slots then would be a product of PSA and those don't count for Envoy. You'd still get 50% or whatever it is, but just a much smaller number and THAT is my point about "sharing the flow" with new brothers.