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Old 06-12-2022, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but the MEC just vote themselves a raise to 145 hrs of pay credit per month?
Yea it is funny how this personal raise was missed amongst the masses. Actually the ENV MEC slipped many items past their own pilots and their mainline partners.
I think this MEC must have needed some extra money before they have to pay back their bonuses and jump ship!
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Old 06-12-2022, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by snuffleupagus69
Yea it is funny how this personal raise was missed amongst the masses. Actually the ENV MEC slipped many items past their own pilots and their mainline partners.
I think this MEC must have needed some extra money before they have to pay back their bonuses and jump ship!
Nah, honestly I hope this brings some stability to the MEC. They need it. I think MEC officers should be lifers. Thats what I was advocating before the current ones railroaded themselves in.
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Old 06-12-2022, 03:33 PM
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Nah, honestly I hope this brings some stability to the MEC. They need it. I think MEC officers should be lifers. Thats what I was advocating before the current ones railroaded themselves in.
The current group is a piece of work Ill say that for darn sure!!!!
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Old 06-12-2022, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Yes, it’s legit.
where is the post 2 year pay scale?
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Old 06-13-2022, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Deltawb
Dude, wth… you got the best deal in the industry! Give your fellow pilots in the MEC kudos ! Nice job envoy I’m actually very envious .
From what I understand the MEC had nothing to do with it except approving it. W/O management went to AA and they worked this out, THEN went to the union.
The magnitude is what surprised me. But they obviously realized the severity of the problem (keeping pilots) and reacted in the best interest of the company. Not a complete fix, of course. That’s virtually impossible in such a complicated and dynamic business. But it certainly will make a difference in the number of pilots jumping ship.
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Old 06-13-2022, 02:22 PM
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Is it true that the mec get 145 hour guarantee pay.
that is b.s. if true.
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Old 06-17-2022, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Yes, it’s legit.
where’s the after August 24 rates? If they don’t extend it what do they fall back to?
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Old 06-17-2022, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
where’s the after August 24 rates? If they don’t extend it what do they fall back to?
About 1/3 less. This didn’t cut and paste very well.

Captain rates

Yrs of Svc DOS 2023 +1yr 2024 +2yr 2025 +3yr 2026 +4yr 2027 +5yr 2028. +6yr

1 $97.50 $100.00 $102.50 $105.00 $107.50 $110.00 $112.50

2 $100.00 $102.50 $105.00 $107.50 $110.00 $112.50 $115.00

3 $102.50 $105.00 $107.50 $110.00 $112.50 $115.00 $117.50

4 $105.00 $107.50 $110.00 $112.50 $115.00 $117.50 $120.00

5 $107.50 $110.00 $112.50 $115.00 $117.50 $120.00 $122.50

6 $110.00 $112.50 $115.00 $117.50 $120.00 $122.50 $125.00

7 $112.50 $115.00 $117.50 $120.00 $122.50 $125.00 $127.50

8

$115.00

$117.50

$120.00

$122.50

$125.00

$127.50

$130.00

9

$117.50

$120.00

$122.50

$125.00

$127.50

$130.00

$132.50

10

$120.00

$122.50

$125.00

$127.50

$130.00

$132.50

$135.00

11

$122.50

$125.00

$127.50

$130.00

$132.50

$135.00

$137.50

12

$125.00

$127.50

$130.00

$132.50

$135.00

$137.50

$140.00

13

$127.50

$130.00

$132.50

$135.00

$137.50

$140.00

$142.50

14

$130.00

$132.50

$135.00

$137.50

$140.00

$142.50

$145.00

15

$132.50

$135.00

$137.50

$140.00

$142.50

$145.00

$147.50

16

$135.00

$137.50

$140.00

$142.50

$145.00

$147.50

$150.00

17

$137.50

$140.00

$142.50

$145.00

$147.50

$150.00

$152.50

18

$140.00

$142.50

$145.00

$147.50

$150.00

$152.50

$155.00

19

$142.50

$145.00

$147.50

$150.00

$152.50

$155.00

$157.50

20

$142.50

$145.00

$147.50

$150.00

$152.50

$155.00

$157.50


Not going to reformat all of it, but those are the rates without the 50% “pilot supply premium” increase and what will be “permanent” when things snap back.

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Old 06-17-2022, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
where’s the after August 24 rates? If they don’t extend it what do they fall back to?
We should actually say what this means too if we're going to go there.

1) About 25% of the current seniority list will no longer be here then. Really, these guys are making out like bandits.
2) The lifers, about 8.5% of the seniority list, will be making between $117.00 and $147.50 per hour. Most will be on step 20 so $147.50 per hour for most. Certainly way better than old rates capped at step 12.
3) I think most flows will be here for more than 7 years to flow but we'll just say 7 years which means 1 year of elevated step 20 pay for the flows. So about 12% of the seniority list will be on step 20 making $147.50 per hour just because they intend to flow. They would have been on step 6 making roughly $50 per hour less on previous rates.
4) The rest of the pilot group is not getting special privileges but will be making more than any other regional pilot based on current contracts. Yes, I know others regional pay terms will change between now then. All I can go on is current terms. Envoy's may also change again for all we know.

Many of those in the above groups 2-4 will be line check airman (making 100% override for instruction) or sim instructors/check airman making between 135 to 147 hours per month.
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Old 06-18-2022, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
About 1/3 less. This didn’t cut and paste very well.
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Not going to reformat all of it, but those are the rates without the 50% “pilot supply premium” increase and what will be “permanent” when things snap back.
Nope, not needed, that's what I was looking to see.

It's nice to see management finally doing what we told them to start doing long ago. Imagine all the headaches they would have avoided.
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