ag386

I would classify the difference between Envoy and Mesa like this. You are behind enemy lines and have been captured. You are going to get tortured and get to pick between being water boarded or having your fingernails pulled out with pliers.

They both suck and realistically you would never choose either one.

Smutter

Hahahaha, friends, sure, this company hands us the Albany hotel. It's worse then a plank.

tall guy

It kinda of frustrating for me to hear that Envoy and its pilots are having so many issues. I'm literally weeks away from applying and I'm starting to have second thoughts about coming to Envoy. This is a serious choice for me and I don't listen to negativity because if I had listened to it in the past I would not be where I am today. I don't care about a flow...I just want to make an honest living and live my life and do the best I can and be the best pilot for any regional / major that I'm blessed to go to. The flow is the last thing on my list.

lakehouse

Message me I'll try and clarify past a group of disgruntled ex employees

Bigpimppilot

Hey tall guy. Please do some more research. You'll be on reserve a long time so talk to some reserve pilots at envoy. Not how great it is to someone super senior on the 175. Whole different world.

Smutter

Don't listen to lakehouse, he's management. Also falls under many other user names. We're not disgruntled. The company is treating us like crap, and we're letting potential new hires know. ****ed, yes. Envoy has great potential, unfortunately under our current leadership (Dic and Pedro) we will fail.

None

Frustrating to hear??????

Ok so what can anyone say that is not frustrating?
You want someone to blow smoke up your a$$ just to get you through the doors?

If you don't listen to negativity, then do what you want.

Focus on the positive spin for Envoy, get hired on and figure it out for yourself. No point in wasting time here if you get frustrated by negativity.

If you truly don't care about flow then why in the heck is PSA or Envoy even on your radar? Almost every other regional out there right now has better pay, better QOL, faster upgrade, and overall better job satisfaction. Just the pay alone should be a red flag at this point.

Not really sure what expectations you have from a BBS like this. If I were in your shoes the last thing I would be is frustrated from the negativity. I would say thank you guys for being honest and thanks for helping me not get trapped like many of you are right now.

very odd fellow you are.

Bigpimppilot

I was just thinking about my dad telling me about his last engineer interview. He was experienced and in demand. The job offer salary reflected that experience and demand. If it didn't it would have been a huge indication that the company wasn't interested or couldn't afford him. Both red flags.

Do you see any parallels ????

lakehouse

I have almost a decade of post history, and I'm most certainly not management. This is also my only name on apc. I think there is some serious bad info being posted by ex employees. I'm not happy with alot of things at envoy, but it's not a bad place.

ag386

Stockholm Syndrome. If you don't know anything else besides Envoy then sure, I can see you have the blinders on. Like the frog who is plopped into a lukewarm pot of water on the stove, he's fine. Someone comes by and turns up the heat and the frog actually adjusts to the temperature and gets comfortable. At some point it gets too late and the frog boils.

I have left Envoy and let me assure you there are FAR better opportunities out there. Open your eyes, apply and get out. See the flow for what it really is. A Ponzi scheme and a siren call to lure unsuspecting saps into the fold.

It's sad to see someone carrying management's water when they are directly responsible for the absolute worst working conditions ever at Envoy. Most likely, the worst in the regional industry.