GodIsGood

To be fair, it wasn't a flow problem back then. It was a lack of hiring in the entire industry. The flow has always worked when American was hiring.
I do agree though, go ahead and try to get hired at a legacy while your at Envoy. And then at 5.5 years, if you haven't gotten a call, go walk into class at AA and have a seat.

eaglefly

To be fairer (and more accurate), while external forces did STOP the flow, pilots back then were metered to AA as slow as contractually feasible, i. e., they were metered to maximum ability by serving their full lock-in's. 100% were retained at Eagle and none were released early. Envoy ALPA has confirmed their belief that will be the M.O. in the future as well. Again, the 5.5 year claim is a projection based in part on uncontrollable variables and is not a guarantee.

Eaglepilot84

I think the only lock-in one has to worry about is a one-year seat lock, which shouldn't be an issue.

aviator493

I tried this... Some [beef jerky] named "security" and another guy who called himself "officer" dragged me out of class.

OkStateBryan

That's what I like to hear. Main reason I'm at looking at Envoy is so I can stay in DFW. Would've been ****ed if I got stuck in ORD.

Edit: I can't say p i s s ed on APF? Really?

eaglefly

True. It will be other factors that control ultimate flow rates and times.

cr700

There aren't "other factors" that control flow rates. It's contractual. If hired today, the maximum wait to flow is 6 years. Realistically, you'll flow in 5 1/2.

Eaglepilot84

Whoa there Nelly. There's no "maximum wait to flow" time period. I'm all for getting people in the front door because I think this place finally has a future, but don't be a d-bag and make claims you can't back up. Yes flow will likely be roughly 6 years but there's nothing guarnteed about that statement. It's just an educated guess.

AlphaMikeFoxtrt

Ric is that you???

PilotCrusader

I'll agree with you that in the current state of affairs it looks like 6 years average new hire to flow. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is guaranteed about that timeframe. Cr700 is a flat out propagandist and LIAR. He knows he is spewing lies but just doesn't care: as long as he can keep duping new hires in the door and keeps his cushy desk job, everyone else be damned.

What can change the flow? The same things that changed the flow time for the guys who have served 16 years at Eaglevoy and are finally flowing right now:
- A terrorist attack
- Economic downfall, to include rising fuel
- Unable to hire replacements, causing the company to violate the contract(yep they did it before).
- Natural Disasters
And a litany of other reasons. As soon as one happens, the same conscience-less big mouth will be saying "but but we couldn't control these things!".

Meanwhile, you just got hired at one of the worst quality of life regionals out there and your "time served" just became unknown.

All of this could happen just as much as you could flow in 6 years.