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Old 04-18-2016 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cr700
You really need to evaluate what you post when you don't have facts.
Ahhh, now I see the problem. You confuse propaganda with facts.

What do you do for Envoy airlines? Training department? Chief pilot office? Anything other than a line pilot?

How well do you know Kenji Hashimoto? Golf buddies? The links below are 2 years old, but I'm sure you can provide some newer links. For facts, you know, not just your personal opinion.

American Airlines says it won?t merge regional carriers | The Star-Telegram MAY 20, 2014
American Airlines has no plans to combine its three regional airline subsidiaries into one even as the Fort Worth-based carrier is looking to other third-party regional operators to fly under the American Eagle brand.

“All three play a very important role in achieving regional feed that is really important for our regional customers,” Kenji Hashimoto, American’s senior vice president of regional carriers, said at an event Tuesday where the airline showed off a new CRJ-900 regional jet that it will receive from Bombardier in June.

American Airlines to transfer at least 50 jets from Envoy Air to other regional carriers | | Dallas Morning News November 21, 2014
American Airlines Group plans to move at least 50 jets from its Envoy Air unit to other regional carriers, saying that it can’t keep enough pilots to fly the airplanes.

In a letter to Envoy employees, senior vice president Kenji Hashimoto said that at least 20 of the 50-seat Embraer 145 jets will go to Piedmont Airlines, another regional carrier owned by AAG. The rest will go to non-owned partners, Trans States Airlines and another carrier to be named later.

PSA Airlines preps for new CRJ-900s as Envoy sings the blues - ch-aviation.com
PSA Airlines preps for new CRJ-900s as Envoy sings the blues
23MAY2014
PSA Airlines (OH, Dayton James M. Cox) will take delivery of its first of thirty CRJ-900s (msn 15317) on June 2 the carrier has announced. The aircraft, ordered direct from Bombardier (BBA, Montréal Trudeau), will be operated on behalf of American Airlines (AA, Dallas/Fort Worth) by PSA Airlines, a wholly-owned subsidiary of US Airways (US, Phoenix Sky Harbor). At the current rate of production, PSA will take delivery of all thirty CRJ-900 aircraft by June 2015.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Romulus
What is the quality of those newhires? Skywest and Republic rejects? How many of those 28 are projected to be at Envoy 6 months from now? 12 months?

Don't take my word for how bad Envoy is. Explain why it's the bottom regional for two years in a row. Aren't your managers busy downsizing you so you'll fall off the list completely like PSA?

Best and Worst Airlines - Fortune

Airline quality: Which U.S. carrier tops the ranking? - CNN.com

Airline quality: Which U.S. carrier is No. 1?
Overall airline ranking, with 2014 rankings in parentheses
1. Virgin America (1)
2. JetBlue (4)
3. Delta (3)
4. Hawaiian (2)
5. Alaska (5)
6. Southwest (6)
7. SkyWest (10)
8. United (9)
9. ExpressJet (11)
10. American (7)
11. Frontier (8)
12. Envoy Air (12)
13. Spirit (new to rating in 2015)
Envoy is considered a major airlines per the DOT. We could argue that there are clearly worst regionals around.
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Old 04-18-2016 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Envoy is considered a major airlines per the DOT. We could argue that there are clearly worst regionals around.
True on both points, which explains why Envoy is being reduced to half it's original size. Once it's small enough, it won't be on the worst list of DOT major airlines.

As the WSJ link below points out, regionals serve their major. As long as American is near the bottom of the list, how can their regionals be any better?

The Best and Worst Airlines - WSJ

Rank Overall rank
1 Alaska
2 Virgin Amer.
3 Delta
4 jetBlue
5 Southwest
6 Frontier
7 American
8 United

When does Envoy plan on improving the QOL of their pilots?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ct-pilots.html
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Old 04-19-2016 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus
Ahhh, now I see the problem. You confuse propaganda with facts.

What do you do for Envoy airlines? Training department? Chief pilot office? Anything other than a line pilot?

How well do you know Kenji Hashimoto? Golf buddies? The links below are 2 years old, but I'm sure you can provide some newer links. For facts, you know, not just your personal opinion.

American Airlines says it won?t merge regional carriers | The Star-Telegram MAY 20, 2014
American Airlines has no plans to combine its three regional airline subsidiaries into one even as the Fort Worth-based carrier is looking to other third-party regional operators to fly under the American Eagle brand.

“All three play a very important role in achieving regional feed that is really important for our regional customers,” Kenji Hashimoto, American’s senior vice president of regional carriers, said at an event Tuesday where the airline showed off a new CRJ-900 regional jet that it will receive from Bombardier in June.

American Airlines to transfer at least 50 jets from Envoy Air to other regional carriers | | Dallas Morning News November 21, 2014
American Airlines Group plans to move at least 50 jets from its Envoy Air unit to other regional carriers, saying that it can’t keep enough pilots to fly the airplanes.

In a letter to Envoy employees, senior vice president Kenji Hashimoto said that at least 20 of the 50-seat Embraer 145 jets will go to Piedmont Airlines, another regional carrier owned by AAG. The rest will go to non-owned partners, Trans States Airlines and another carrier to be named later.

PSA Airlines preps for new CRJ-900s as Envoy sings the blues - ch-aviation.com
PSA Airlines preps for new CRJ-900s as Envoy sings the blues
23MAY2014
PSA Airlines (OH, Dayton James M. Cox) will take delivery of its first of thirty CRJ-900s (msn 15317) on June 2 the carrier has announced. The aircraft, ordered direct from Bombardier (BBA, Montréal Trudeau), will be operated on behalf of American Airlines (AA, Dallas/Fort Worth) by PSA Airlines, a wholly-owned subsidiary of US Airways (US, Phoenix Sky Harbor). At the current rate of production, PSA will take delivery of all thirty CRJ-900 aircraft by June 2015.
These articles you are referencing here are ancient. If you can't tell, the landscape has shifted. AAG recognizes the value Envoy provides to the overall operation and it's evident with their actions. We are getting returning 140/145's from the desert and other carriers. We continue to take delivery of brand new 175's. And I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see some additional 175's in our near future either.

Your negativity and just throwing a bunch of old articles out here isn't going to change the positive things we have going on here at Envoy. We have 28 new hires this month and next month we are projected to get even more. Why do you think this is? If this place is as bad as you say, we wouldn't be able to get even one new hire. They are coming because they want to be AA pilots and have a career at the largest airline in the world. Guess who has the most robust flow to AA? Yep, you guessed it. Envoy. I'm sorry that gets you in a wad but it's a fact.

Envoy still hires selectively. We don't just hire every Tom, Dick and Harry that shows up at our door. Remember, we are hiring an AA pilot. It's not easy to get in and you have to do your homework and have a great background to even be eligible. These are not what I would call "bad quality" candidates.

I do fly the line here some so I know what the vibe is out there and it's not at all what you are painting it to be.
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Old 04-19-2016 | 05:44 AM
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Good things are happening here, but moral is still low. Not much faith in abusive top management due to lack of respect for contract. As far as Envoy finding quality pilots, they are doing well. The new hires I have worked with have been exceptional and they tell me only 1 or so per class is not making it through
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Old 04-19-2016 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700
These articles you are referencing here are ancient. If you can't tell, the landscape has shifted. AAG recognizes the value Envoy provides to the overall operation and it's evident with their actions. We are getting returning 140/145's from the desert and other carriers. We continue to take delivery of brand new 175's. And I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see some additional 175's in our near future either.

Your negativity and just throwing a bunch of old articles out here isn't going to change the positive things we have going on here at Envoy. We have 28 new hires this month and next month we are projected to get even more. Why do you think this is? If this place is as bad as you say, we wouldn't be able to get even one new hire. They are coming because they want to be AA pilots and have a career at the largest airline in the world. Guess who has the most robust flow to AA? Yep, you guessed it. Envoy. I'm sorry that gets you in a wad but it's a fact.

Envoy still hires selectively. We don't just hire every Tom, Dick and Harry that shows up at our door. Remember, we are hiring an AA pilot. It's not easy to get in and you have to do your homework and have a great background to even be eligible. These are not what I would call "bad quality" candidates.

I do fly the line here some so I know what the vibe is out there and it's not at all what you are painting it to be.
You must have zero conscience. Otherwise you'd never get to sleep at night.
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Old 04-19-2016 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You must have zero conscience. Otherwise you'd never get to sleep at night.
I sleep great at night. It's easy when you have a guaranteed job at the biggest major airline in the world.
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Old 04-19-2016 | 08:07 AM
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LOL....so now you guys are selectively finding articles from 2014 that fits your narrative? Why stop there? Reach back to 1997 while you're at it....you negative detractors are really grasping at straws these days. Of course the big theme looms over every ridiculous, half truth negative post of yours: if things are so bad why haven't you quit? You won't quit, will you? None of you will. You know your ticket to AA has been stamped and you are nearly there...but you want to ruin as much furniture on your way out as you can.

Grow up. Mesa is hiring...I hear things are great over there. Plus with no flow you can beg for a mainline job along with every other pilot in the country.
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Old 04-19-2016 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GodIsGood
but if it's so bad, why are you still here? Go somewhere else if you are so miserable.


That's so easy to say for someone who is about to flow.
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Old 04-19-2016 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Romulus
True on both points, which explains why Envoy is being reduced to half it's original size. Once it's small enough, it won't be on the worst list of DOT major airlines.

As the WSJ link below points out, regionals serve their major. As long as American is near the bottom of the list, how can their regionals be any better?

The Best and Worst Airlines - WSJ

Rank Overall rank
1 Alaska
2 Virgin Amer.
3 Delta
4 jetBlue
5 Southwest
6 Frontier
7 American
8 United

When does Envoy plan on improving the QOL of their pilots?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ct-pilots.html
Envoy will have more planes by the end of the year. We are not shrinking anymore, I guess we will still be considered a major airline.
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