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Old 07-16-2016, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 View Post
Oh wow now you're an "independent contractor"?! You really are a jack of all trades, master of none.

I've never denied that I'm waiting and looking forward to the exit. That's why I'm here! There is only a small percentage of pilots who are making this place home (likely many of your former brethren and even more likely the same ones who you get all your inside info from).

I'm sorry my version doesn't jibe with "almost all of the Envoy pilots" you talk to. Do you get how rediculous that sounds from the outside looking in? I've never given anything less then an unbiased opinion of envoy, for better or worse. I'll tell you the good parts and I'll tell you the bad parts. I'll tell you my thoughts on the flow and I'll also tell you it's the reason I'm still here now and why I won't be in roughly 2 years. I'll tell you if you're looking at your career as a marathon and want to end up at AA, this is a good place to start. Especially if you live near ORD or DFW. Is everything rock solid and guaranteed to work as advertised? ABSOLUTLY NOT. I've never claimed that and never will. But it's a pretty damn good card to have in your pocket, especially when you're just starting out your career.

So yes, I would love new-hires to come here in even greater quantities then currently are. From what I understand, we're trending higher in new-hire numbers but still not where we need to be. From speaking with people who are a lot more in the know then I am (both management and union) this will NOT affect our flow numbers. I beleive it won't, based on the current business plan of envoy. Whether or not others do too is up to them, I'm just giving the opinion of someone who actually works here, myself.

As for "posting a dozen times a day" I'm not even going to dignify myself with a response to that one, especially coming from you, eaglefly! I guess some perpetual liars just never know when to stop.
So do you think that AAG would just flow it's WOs to the point where their feed is disrupted and it affects their profits? Don't be a fool. I work for a WO and even I know that unless we can all get new hires in the door, there will ultimately be no flow. If you have a year (maybe two?) to flow, sure stick around. If not, you're a fool to stay for it and count on it.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 View Post
Oh wow now you're an "independent contractor"?! You really are a jack of all trades, master of none.

I've never denied that I'm waiting and looking forward to the exit. That's why I'm here! There is only a small percentage of pilots who are making this place home (likely many of your former brethren and even more likely the same ones who you get all your inside info from).

I'm sorry my version doesn't jibe with "almost all of the Envoy pilots" you talk to. Do you get how rediculous that sounds from the outside looking in? I've never given anything less then an unbiased opinion of envoy, for better or worse. I'll tell you the good parts and I'll tell you the bad parts. I'll tell you my thoughts on the flow and I'll also tell you it's the reason I'm still here now and why I won't be in roughly 2 years. I'll tell you if you're looking at your career as a marathon and want to end up at AA, this is a good place to start. Especially if you live near ORD or DFW. Is everything rock solid and guaranteed to work as advertised? ABSOLUTLY NOT. I've never claimed that and never will. But it's a pretty damn good card to have in your pocket, especially when you're just starting out your career.

So yes, I would love new-hires to come here in even greater quantities then currently are. From what I understand, we're trending higher in new-hire numbers but still not where we need to be. From speaking with people who are a lot more in the know then I am (both management and union) this will NOT affect our flow numbers. I beleive it won't, based on the current business plan of envoy. Whether or not others do too is up to them, I'm just giving the opinion of someone who actually works here, myself.

As for "posting a dozen times a day" I'm not even going to dignify myself with a response to that one, especially coming from you, eaglefly! I guess some perpetual liars just never know when to stop.
I spared myself the futility of even reading this, expect for the end in that I don't see the room for you to "dignify" yourself with further response and this is the discharged gas I was referring to. I don't think even you could hold much more then what has already been belched forth into the cyber atmosphere.

Please do YOURSELF a favor and take a break from more pointless hysterics.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
So do you think that AAG would just flow it's WOs to the point where their feed is disrupted and it affects their profits? Don't be a fool. I work for a WO and even I know that unless we can all get new hires in the door, there will ultimately be no flow. If you have a year (maybe two?) to flow, sure stick around. If not, you're a fool to stay for it and count on it.
What you're speaking of is both an extreme and unlikely scenario. Yes they will give back block hours in order to preserve the flow. They already are. Aren't you at PSA? PSA isn't exactly known for their robust flow so I would probably be looking elsewhere if I were there too. Now, as for anyone within a year, maybe two, being a fool to stay?! Well...I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that in so many ways! Unless it's Delta, United, FedEx, southwest, or UPS then you're a fool to leave. But like I said, some people see their career as a sprint and not a marathon. To each their own.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
I spared myself the futility of even reading this, expect for the end in that I don't see the room for you to "dignify" yourself with further response and this is the discharged gas I was referring to. I don't think even you could hold much more then what has already been belched forth into the cyber atmosphere.

Please do YOURSELF a favor and take a break from more pointless hysterics.
Good talk and even better rebuttal!!!
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 View Post
Good talk and even better rebuttal!!!
Thank you.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
So do you think that AAG would just flow it's WOs to the point where their feed is disrupted and it affects their profits? Don't be a fool. I work for a WO and even I know that unless we can all get new hires in the door, there will ultimately be no flow. If you have a year (maybe two?) to flow, sure stick around. If not, you're a fool to stay for it and count on it.
Most DO want to get pilots in the door and that goes for all the WO's. What sets Envoy apart is the near drooling desperation seen on this forum by some who appear in a state of panic. They've taken it upon themselves to bring them in the door themselves embellishing much and attempt to suppress even more. This forum has little impact on the fact that considering all the mud thrown at the wall thus far, little of it is sticking in the form of new-hires. Soon something more drastic will be done and I see consolidation, but that likely means a slower, more methodical flow and in the case of Envoy pilots, more patience as their turns (after the 824) will likely be drawn out.

Since AAG WILL NOT flow it's regionals out of business, there really is no other option but to kick the can and a slower flow is one can that can still be kicked.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:34 AM
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Everyone I talked to about coming here told me it's an ok place to be but if they had a choice they would go else where . Current 4 year guys I know are willing to jump ship and start somewhere else and upgrade faster . I just feel that the company if they really respected their pilot group would do endeavor style bonuses for everyone on property and offer the e175 for current pilots FIRST and then new hires .
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
Your version of the truth doesn't jibe with almost all of the Envoy pilots I talk to. Virtually all of them are focused on the exit door. AFAIC, you post here a dozen times a day BECAUSE you want as many new-hires to come to Envoy regardless of how most feel about it there because you are concerned with ensuring your OWN exit ASAP, period.

Truth and altruism are nowhere to be found. Before you discharge more gas here claiming X and Y, spare yourself the trouble as nothing you say will change my opinion and my old "Scope salesman" moniker has nothing to do with Envoy and I explained that in the past. It's related to my present "Independent Contractor" badge, both of which are obviously WAY over your head.
Says the guy with 8250 post...

BTW I'm still waiting your answer about the 2013 vote...
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lvl410 View Post
Everyone I talked to about coming here told me it's an ok place to be but if they had a choice they would go else where . Current 4 year guys I know are willing to jump ship and start somewhere else and upgrade faster . I just feel that the company if they really respected their pilot group would do endeavor style bonuses for everyone on property and offer the e175 for current pilots FIRST and then new hires .
Endevour style bonus is gone in 2018, then they will be as cheap as us. They are a ticking bomb, once is gone is gone. Their MEC hasn't being able to lock that bonus in the contract.
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Old 07-16-2016, 01:19 PM
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I think they'd be a fool to stop their bonus. Only way there wouldn't be one is if literally there were no more pilots to be had for any amount of money or if they all got seniority numbers and stapled to delta.
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