ag386

When your company is so bad, that even the most ardent defenders have nothing to put up as a defense any longer, this is what happens.

Just go after the individuals who are ringing the alarm bell instead. That's an attempt to deflect the facts that are settling on the sales team right now. It's the feeling you get after eating a bad hamburger and your gut just starts roiling. Realizing you may be stuck at Envoy "for the foreseeable future."

Bigpimppilot

For years now American and envoy management have had the ability to make this airline fly high. Year after year all the pilots hear are empty promises and excuses. It's not a problem of, or for, new hires to fix. The schedules are terrible and morale blows. Whose fault is it? Must be the realists that are telling people how it really is here. When rebuttals turn to personal insults and get light on facts you know it's a problem

adspilot

Alright went for a mid week trip and now I'm trying to get back home. All the flights are booked and it looks like the only way to get home is on the JS. Only problem is I didn't pack any slacks. I have a nice pair of jeans and a nice shirt but I'm debating on running to the store before hand to get a nice pair of slacks. I know the rules say no jeans for the JS but I have seen people before on the JS in jeans. Any suggestions?

eaglefly

...and another trip to the Alamo it is !!!

Your chums are waiting for you there with a cold Blatz light.

FlameNSky

I've seen it go both ways. Really depends on the Gate Agent and Captain. I guess your decision would be based on if you 'have' to go or are willing to risk it.

ag386

Use this as practice for being a Captain. Go buy the slacks and get home for sure.

AdiosMikeFox

The thing about alarm bells on aircraft is that you get to silence them. Sure, the indications are still there and need to be dealt with, but you can tell the bell to stuff it.

ag386

True. But a handful here continue to ignore the alarm sounded here and believe in utopia at Envoy. Quite a few from your own ranks are sounding it as well.

ORDinary

I doubt there is a single pilot here who believes that our management was "caring" about their "pilot force" when they extended the flow to new hires, since it was in exchange for completely unwarranted additional pay cuts one year after an unwarranted bankruptcy forced in a supposedly 8 year contract of unwarranted pay cuts, and of course because the extension of flow through to new hires came accompanied by repeated and explicit threats to liquidate the entire company if we didn't take those pay cuts, at the exact time when AAG made larger profits than any airline in the history of flight, rendering the demand for pay cuts literally the least warranted, ever. AAG wanted to offer flow through (free for them) instead of decent pay (which they could easily have afforded) as their main recruitment tool. That's supposed to be caring? The level of self delusion necessary to agree with your conclusion is staggering.

ORDinary

I doubt there is a single pilot here who believes that our management was "caring" about their "pilot force" when they extended the flow to new hires, since it was in exchange for completely unwarranted additional pay cuts one year after an unwarranted bankruptcy forced in a supposedly 8 year contract of more unwarranted pay cuts, and of course because the extension of flow through to new hires came accompanied by repeated and explicit threats to liquidate the entire company if we didn't take those pay cuts, at the exact time when AAG made larger profits than any airline in the history of flight, rendering the demand for pay cuts literally the least warranted, ever. AAG wanted to offer flow through (free for them) instead of decent pay (which they could easily have afforded) as their main recruitment tool. That's supposed to be caring? The level of self delusion necessary to agree with your conclusion is staggering.