boiler07

Of course they have a shot. It's just a very small one in the near future.

How many years will it take to dwindle down the application pool to the point that a pilot feels they actually stand a chance at getting the call? That's the question.

PilotCrusader

I know a few guys that went over to JetBlue in the beginning. One is a good friend. He has been there 15 years. He made $268k last year. This year he will make even more with the large profit sharing check.

These guys are the reason I have felt so comfortable helping young FOs go to b6. I've helped a few to Spirit as well.

I agree, CR700 doesn't have a clue about the real world. I think he is all silent right now, basking in the glory of their bonus. I think it's kind of funny. A bonus is a sign of desperation and can only be approved by the chief DUI drinker extraordinaire himself. The fact he is starting to feel the pinch brings me great joy.

Ar Pilot

Anyone Less than 8 years on the seniority list at envoy would be insane not to leave for Jetblue. 3rd year FO at JB clears more than anyone n Envoy's seniority list. CR700 weak troll is weak

eaglefly

I doubt very many Envoy F/O's (or ANY regional F/O) would pass up a class date with a decent LCC to stay an F/O for two more years and $20K or whatever it is (that would be about $14K after taxes or $584/month). Considering the slow crawl to AA that could stop in the future for any number a reasons, I think for most a bird-in-the-hand, so to speak..............

LCC's like Jet Blue, Spirit and Frontier will likely consolidate and so they have a likely decent future as Southwest will then have competition in like scale and thus bring stability to that segment of the industry. Just my .02.....

Iowa Farm Boy

A former FO of mine who went to JetBlue did this in February. While I personally think it beats TYR/ GGG/ ACT all month long, YMMV. He has been with JB<6 mths.

I only offer this as a specific fact, instead of the generalizations of others. I hardly consider this a "lateral move."

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PilotCrusader

Apparently we know the same FO.

TrinityDawn

I'd say that back when we were an airline of 3,200+ pilots, we TOLD you (management) that a staffing shortage was coming. Instead of holding on to a valuable commodity, you sent your attack dog union buster Jerry Glass against us to break the morale of this employee group over a cost difference of a few cents on the dollar per block hour. You threatened to Comair II us over a few measly dollars! Pilots left in droves, because you created such a hostile work environment here.

Now that things have unfolded just like we said they would, you don't have the warm bodies to staff your shiny new airplanes, even at PSA. Congratulations management, because now you will end up paying MORE MONEY in retention bonuses and new hire bonuses than it would have cost to simply honor our bankruptcy contract in the first place. Way to shoot yourself in the foot! *golf clap*

What's even more hilarious is PSA and PDT TURNING DOWN FREE MONEY FROM AAG because it wasn't enough, and then coming on here and complaining that envoy did!!! Management finally admits they were wrong and starts throwing money back at us, and these kids just don't get it.

RyanP

Eagle use to fly everywhere from NY to LA and more destinations in the Carribean than Jetblue. That all went down the toilet.

Pilotatheart

What's so hilarious about? Envoy pilots it was a nice bend over. Hopefully, the money will be enough to fix your rectum.

cr700

There's nothing that Envoy management did that was "wrong." They used the information they had at the time to make the best decision for the company. Yes, this includes the pilot group as well. I know we as pilots often times think we know best but you have to realize that when you aren't privy to all of the information, there are things you can't see. The 30,000 foot view is constantly shifting as management deals with day to day operations. Thus you will at times see a reversal on something that was deemed appropriate months ago.

What you are seeing now is a continuation of that strategy. The bonuses that are being offered are unprecedented and just another solid reason why a new hire should choose Envoy. At times, attrition has been higher than management would like so this program should keep that in check. Yes, I understand that great opportunities arise from time to time, but it's mind blowing to see a super qualified Envoy pilot leave for a LCC when an AA job is just a few short years away.