New Envoy Information
03-03-2016, 11:29 AM
#1671
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Originally Posted by cr700
There's nothing that Envoy management did that was "wrong." They used the information they had at the time to make the best decision for the company. Yes, this includes the pilot group as well. I know we as pilots often times think we know best but you have to realize that when you aren't privy to all of the information, there are things you can't see. The 30,000 foot view is constantly shifting as management deals with day to day operations. Thus you will at times see a reversal on something that was deemed appropriate months ago.
What you are seeing now is a continuation of that strategy. The bonuses that are being offered are unprecedented and just another solid reason why a new hire should choose Envoy. At times, attrition has been higher than management would like so this program should keep that in check. Yes, I understand that great opportunities arise from time to time, but it's mind blowing to see a super qualified Envoy pilot leave for a LCC when an AA job is just a few short years away.
What you are seeing now is a continuation of that strategy. The bonuses that are being offered are unprecedented and just another solid reason why a new hire should choose Envoy. At times, attrition has been higher than management would like so this program should keep that in check. Yes, I understand that great opportunities arise from time to time, but it's mind blowing to see a super qualified Envoy pilot leave for a LCC when an AA job is just a few short years away.
As for the "mind blowing" feeling watching "super qualified" pilots leave Envoy, you do realize that for many, the opinion is that anyone who does choose to stay at Envoy and flow is usually seen as a toothless knuckle-dragger with a closet full of skeletons and is flowing because they couldn't get hired elsewhere. Perhaps in the future, many of the flows to AA can have annual barbecues to compare skeletons ?
03-03-2016, 11:36 AM
#1672
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Exactly. I went to one of their "pizza" parties. Sat in the back. Watched several young guys legitimately bring up these holes in their Swiss cheese. All that happened was disdain from management for not just drinking the koolaid and thanking the "management" team for being so fantastic. No real answers, just anger and misdirection.
The truth of the matter is posted above by Buzz. What management turds like CR700 want to do is "misdirect" away from the truth of day to day life at envoy by only showing a completely un-guaranteed carrot, like the flow, to cover it up. You can have the "hope" of flow but the reality is we have the worst day to day life of any period in the history of this company, and much worse than other regionals.
This place is a joke. Throwing in a bit of long overdue extra cash to the FOs is a bribe, a desperate bribe. Coming up is a 50 captain vacancy bid. It'll be ran down the APC promenade as glorious. The truth is, this will give upgrades to people who have been here for 8-9 years by the time they see 4 stripes. What do they get? Years of reserve and still living the bullet points Buzz put above, and STILL make less than if they were on second year pay at a place like JetBlue.....but that's a lateral move says CR700.
The truth of the matter is posted above by Buzz. What management turds like CR700 want to do is "misdirect" away from the truth of day to day life at envoy by only showing a completely un-guaranteed carrot, like the flow, to cover it up. You can have the "hope" of flow but the reality is we have the worst day to day life of any period in the history of this company, and much worse than other regionals.
This place is a joke. Throwing in a bit of long overdue extra cash to the FOs is a bribe, a desperate bribe. Coming up is a 50 captain vacancy bid. It'll be ran down the APC promenade as glorious. The truth is, this will give upgrades to people who have been here for 8-9 years by the time they see 4 stripes. What do they get? Years of reserve and still living the bullet points Buzz put above, and STILL make less than if they were on second year pay at a place like JetBlue.....but that's a lateral move says CR700.
Of course, when the pilots defensive line is too busy checking out the cheerleaders and their game plan and play book is known by all, it's easy to run right by them time and again.
03-03-2016, 11:37 AM
#1673
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
Originally Posted by eaglefly
As for the "mind blowing" feeling watching "super qualified" pilots leave Envoy, you do realize that for many, the opinion is that anyone who does choose to stay at Envoy and flow is usually seen as a toothless knuckle-dragger with a closet full of skeletons and is flowing because they couldn't get hired elsewhere. Perhaps in the future, many of the flows to AA can have annual barbecues to compare skeletons ?
03-03-2016, 11:48 AM
#1674
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by RyanP
I don't think anyone can beat Parkers "skeletons". Any actual pilot employee with 3 DUI's and a Felony wouldn't even be allowed to be a janitor here, let alone fly a jet. Lol. (But he can be trusted to run a multibillion dollar company somehow).
Unfortunately, in the world of "Big Business", it seems one internal quality that runs through the Executive world is the "us and them" philosophy where different sets of rules apply. Same goes with politicians. What's overlooked there (or even sometimes rewarded) is considered unacceptable here.
03-03-2016, 06:45 PM
#1679
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 569
Originally Posted by ju10489
The new hire (after March 1st) will not get this retention bonus.
how is that supposed to bring more pilots?
how is that supposed to bring more pilots?
I believe the company wants to rely on the Cadet program for new hires. Now they are finally going after previous 121 pilots and trying to retain our current guys.
03-04-2016, 04:40 AM
#1680
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
I don't think the retention part of these bonuses will work, people are over the Pedro and Dic regime. If they get canned and the following changes happen then maybe.
- schedules become more then min days off
- credit of those schedules become more then min
- management stands down from its hostile stance against us
- admit 2.5/6 is a lie
- fix payroll problems
- fix reserve
- HONOR OUR CONTRACT
No one wants to stay here because of the stance the two clowns have taken. A check every three months will absolutely not help the grind these two make it to work here. I get new hires will at least consider envoy, but hopefully stay away. In reality though, these people still go to republic and Mesa before they come here(at least I hope)
- schedules become more then min days off
- credit of those schedules become more then min
- management stands down from its hostile stance against us
- admit 2.5/6 is a lie
- fix payroll problems
- fix reserve
- HONOR OUR CONTRACT
No one wants to stay here because of the stance the two clowns have taken. A check every three months will absolutely not help the grind these two make it to work here. I get new hires will at least consider envoy, but hopefully stay away. In reality though, these people still go to republic and Mesa before they come here(at least I hope)
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