New Envoy Information
12-11-2015, 06:47 AM
#511
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 299
Originally Posted by eaglefly
You gotta go easy on the kid if he is REALLY an Envoy newbie straight from the College CFI flight line (but I have my suspicions elsewhere). The level of intoxication at that stage is enormous and if they told him he'd start crapping vanilla ice cream on the fist day of class, he'd be rushing his first dump of that day just so he can check the bowl. We've all been there. "Some" captain I'm sure told him a fine story as the job of those captains (among other things) is to pump up the newbie not just to want to stay, but pass the training and yes, any post remotely not in the best interest of the usual suspects will result in them getting out their well worn "troll" stamps which they use rampantly whether it truly applies or not. Remember, THESE batch of characters are either part of a specific anti-labor group tasked with psy ops or simply line pilots terminally afflicted with a combination of battered wife and Stockholm syndromes.
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January.
Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes.
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January.
Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes.
12-11-2015, 06:58 AM
#512
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by adspilot
Wow, how do you have the time to come on here and type something so long that no one will read. I got two sentences into and realized how much you sound like my ex-wife. She just wouldn't shut up!
Considering what your post indicates about what you SAY and then what you DO, you're the kind of guy who would stay married to someone you despise because you simply can't make a move for yourself, so I'm surprised she's your EX-wife.
But, yes I do realize some pilots simply cannot comprehend a paragraph or two, let alone read a page in a novel or manual and are essentially knuckle-draggers with the I.Q. of an artichoke and the attention spans of 12-year old girls, so only some here will read my posts.I'm OK with that.
12-11-2015, 07:01 AM
#513
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
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I think it's how great he sounds to himself, that's why he writes more than 99% of the rest of the members here. Problem is, he's incapable understanding how he sounds to everyone else.
12-11-2015, 07:02 AM
#514
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,201
Originally Posted by eaglefly
You gotta go easy on the kid if he is REALLY an Envoy newbie straight from the College CFI flight line (but I have my suspicions elsewhere). The level of intoxication at that stage is enormous and if they told him he'd start crapping vanilla ice cream on the fist day of class, he'd be rushing his first dump of that day just so he can check the bowl. We've all been there. "Some" captain I'm sure told him a fine story as the job of those captains (among other things) is to pump up the newbie not just to want to stay, but pass the training and yes, any post remotely not in the best interest of the usual suspects will result in them getting out their well worn "troll" stamps which they use rampantly whether it truly applies or not. Remember, THESE batch of characters are either part of a specific anti-labor group tasked with psy ops or simply line pilots terminally afflicted with a combination of battered wife and Stockholm syndromes.
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January.
Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes.
At any rate, so far the only info from Envoy management about a month old is that 205 pilots are projected to upgrade in 2016 (about 2100 pilots total), although some are saying 250, but I haven't seen that official increase. The flow number last thrown out was 250-300 for 2016 and so far, I have yet to see any concrete info otherwise other then a few intoxicated Envoy pilots embellishing numbers for whatever reason. Of course, if someone has official info from the company revising these numbers, that should be made available for prospective and active pilots to use to evaluate their options. It must be noted that monthly flow numbers (actual transfer) can and probably will vary significantly JUST as they did in 2015, so that the planned number of 250-300 ultimately go. It is also noteworthy that the flow concept can and likely will be different for the 824 group (about 400 left) and those after that, so the flow will likely be more aggressive to get the remaining lucky 400 out and then there are several scenarios that play into an overall tempering of the flow rate. I think the 824 and all future flows after that are a byproduct of two different equations for AAG. As for Envoy hires, their pipeline program(s) spits more pilots out from those sources at end of semester periods and thus June, September and January will se the highest draws there. Envoy has had the same parade as now for many months and their indoc numbers have been quite small since the last burst in very early fall and are apt to return to that past January.
Finally, it is interesting to note Envoy STILL doesn't have any flying allocation plan from AAG and that is now 6-8 weeks overdue. If they have, I've missed its dissemination. Despite this latest rash of sales from some, the situation at Envoy is fluid and not much different then 4 weeks or 3 months ago. I realize these comments will result in howling cries to the heavens from the usual sources, but that is to be expected like death and taxes.
12-11-2015, 07:09 AM
#516
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
New Envoy Information
Ah, it was a brief respite to see the Envoy posts rise and fall on the forums along with all the other regional posts. There was a temporary lull in the post volume because eaglefly wasn't making every thread about himself and his opinions. Back to the pointlessness of it all...
I think that's impossible. 7,003 and counting.
(who spend just as much time as me on this forum)
12-11-2015, 07:14 AM
#518
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Ah, it was a brief respite to see the Envoy posts rise and fall on the forums along with all the other regional posts. There was a temporary lull in the post volume because eaglefly wasn't making every thread about himself and his opinions. Back to the pointlessness of it all...
FACTUAL Answer : NOWHERE.
This is just the usual misguided claim of someone who cannot dispute my posts so he seeks non-applicable definitions with which to lament his dismay. Hey, if my posts bother you, why don't YOU just eliminate me from your APC life ?
Answer : Because the goal is censorship and controlling what OTHERS say, think or hear.
My opinions are just as worthy of this forum as you and the rest of the SOS and it's time you understood that. Don't like it ?
Put me on ignore.
12-11-2015, 07:14 AM
#519
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 674
Originally Posted by eaglefly
No, what's the exact number ? In past posts I stated approximately 2100 pilots. I'm always willing to be corrected with factual information.
12-11-2015, 07:17 AM
#520
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Ah, it was a brief respite to see the Envoy posts rise and fall on the forums along with all the other regional posts. There was a temporary lull in the post volume because eaglefly wasn't making every thread about himself and his opinions. Back to the pointlessness of it all...
I think that's impossible. 7,003 and counting.
I think that's impossible. 7,003 and counting.
This is ALL they have. They cannot debate or discuss that which they cannot refute, all they can do is their usual rock-throwing/personal attack exercise in an attempt to drown out differing opinions and dissent.
It only took a couple of minutes too. These same few characters are on this forum virtually EVERY DAY now attempting to shout down and gang-thug others who post what they don't agree with.
Facts are facts.
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