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04-11-2016, 07:19 AM
#2191
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
...and many of you are still obsessed with me. The more things change, the more they stay the same.... 
Yes, the implication by many of you is (and has been in rebuttal to my comments) that the contractual provisions of the Protected Pilot Agreement in your CBA are rock solid, i.e., have no reasonable method or possibility of being altered and thus every pilot included is essentially guaranteed to become an AA pilot under any and all considerations. If you DON'T think it is bulletproof, then please explain why. If you won't then that must mean you cannot come up with any reason it is not and thus my assertion is valid. Every example that I have discussed that might place that provision in jeopardy of alteration (or even elimination) has been met with vehement disagreement.
Yes, the implication by many of you is (and has been in rebuttal to my comments) that the contractual provisions of the Protected Pilot Agreement in your CBA are rock solid, i.e., have no reasonable method or possibility of being altered and thus every pilot included is essentially guaranteed to become an AA pilot under any and all considerations. If you DON'T think it is bulletproof, then please explain why. If you won't then that must mean you cannot come up with any reason it is not and thus my assertion is valid. Every example that I have discussed that might place that provision in jeopardy of alteration (or even elimination) has been met with vehement disagreement.
As someone who is a part of the Protected Pilot flow agreement, I think there is a very very good chance of the flow working as advertised. Bulletproof or guaranteed? Of course not. Like I said, NOTHING IN THIS LIFE IS. For that reason, I'm not willing to go to a LCC. American Airlines is the company I want to work for and I'd rather take the chance of the flow working, rather then selling myself short and going to an airline which I don't consider a final career move.
04-11-2016, 08:17 AM
#2192
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It's been beaten to death, but so long as the salesmen troll positive or anyone else even slightly disagrees the claims of conspiracy will continue. Nevermind the generally accepted skepticism of the company's claims.
04-11-2016, 08:38 AM
#2193
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
...and many of you are still obsessed with me. The more things change, the more they stay the same....
Yes, the implication by many of you is (and has been in rebuttal to my comments) that the contractual provisions of the Protected Pilot Agreement in your CBA are rock solid, i.e., have no reasonable method or possibility of being altered and thus every pilot included is essentially guaranteed to become an AA pilot under any and all considerations. If you DON'T think it is bulletproof, then please explain why. If you won't then that must mean you cannot come up with any reason it is not and thus my assertion is valid. Every example that I have discussed that might place that provision in jeopardy of alteration (or even elimination) has been met with vehement disagreement.
Yes, the implication by many of you is (and has been in rebuttal to my comments) that the contractual provisions of the Protected Pilot Agreement in your CBA are rock solid, i.e., have no reasonable method or possibility of being altered and thus every pilot included is essentially guaranteed to become an AA pilot under any and all considerations. If you DON'T think it is bulletproof, then please explain why. If you won't then that must mean you cannot come up with any reason it is not and thus my assertion is valid. Every example that I have discussed that might place that provision in jeopardy of alteration (or even elimination) has been met with vehement disagreement.
04-11-2016, 08:48 AM
#2194
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Originally Posted by sublime259
I don't think anything is bulletproof in this life and I don't think anybody on here has claimed that it is. It seems like you and your alter-ego's like to claim that people say it's bulletproof to give you ammunition to say it's not. Again, if you can point out where anybody has said that you're guaranteed to become an AA pilot under any and all circumstances, I'm all ears (or eyes, in this case.)
As someone who is a part of the Protected Pilot flow agreement, I think there is a very very good chance of the flow working as advertised. Bulletproof or guaranteed? Of course not. Like I said, NOTHING IN THIS LIFE IS. For that reason, I'm not willing to go to a LCC. American Airlines is the company I want to work for and I'd rather take the chance of the flow working, rather then selling myself short and going to an airline which I don't consider a final career move.
As someone who is a part of the Protected Pilot flow agreement, I think there is a very very good chance of the flow working as advertised. Bulletproof or guaranteed? Of course not. Like I said, NOTHING IN THIS LIFE IS. For that reason, I'm not willing to go to a LCC. American Airlines is the company I want to work for and I'd rather take the chance of the flow working, rather then selling myself short and going to an airline which I don't consider a final career move.
There are a lucky few who get right in on the first try but most, including myself, had to beat the bushes, job fair it a few times and network. It paid off in the end and I got in at Spirit.
I personally left as I didn't believe the flow would hold up in its entirety as advertised for me to make it over as a 2007 hire. That said, it wasn't easy getting hired at a decent outfit but well worth it in the end. After getting out of Envoy, I realized for the first time how nice it was not to work in such an oppressive environment. If Spirit can get a good contract, I'm planning on staying. Seniority is everything and after 2 years and change at NK, I've got 500 below me.
If you are an early 2006 hire, I might try and wait if you really want AA. I'm just skeptical of things working as advertised by the company on an ongoing basis.
04-11-2016, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cuin
RyanP ...9 new hires today, did all go to the E175?
Selection goes by age. Oldest gets first pick.
04-11-2016, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
6 DFW E175, 3 ORD CRJ.. is what was passed along. I wasn't there to confirm though. Apparently someone who got the CRJ walked out. Not sure if he is one of the 9 total or not.
Selection goes by age. Oldest gets first pick.
Selection goes by age. Oldest gets first pick.
04-11-2016, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
6 DFW E175, 3 ORD CRJ.. is what was passed along. I wasn't there to confirm though. Apparently someone who got the CRJ walked out. Not sure if he is one of the 9 total or not.
Selection goes by age. Oldest gets first pick.
Selection goes by age. Oldest gets first pick.
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