New Envoy Information
03-31-2016 | 04:16 AM
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For all pilots hired after DOS, the First Officer pay scale in Appendix A will be capped at four years of service (i.e., such pilots cannot progress past longevity pay step 4 for First Officers in Appendix A). First Officers who are on the Envoy master seniority list on DOS will be eligible to continue to move past step 4 in the First Officer pay scale in Appendix A each year unless the First Officer declines an upgrade to Captain in his own domicile. If the First Officer
declines the upgrade, he will be frozen at his current pay step (at or above step 4) on the date he declines the upgrade. First Officers who are capped at any pay step continue to accrue longevity for purposes of determining where they enter the Captain pay scales when they upgrade.
03-31-2016 | 08:04 AM
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03-31-2016 | 09:58 AM
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The few non-management types that have posted on here are absolutely not representative of the pilot group at all. Some of them are well known self preservationists.
The pilot group as a whole is generally still disgruntled. The super senior guys could care less, but hate and distrust the company for what they have done. The guys soon to flow see the light at the end of the tunnel, but hate and distrust the company for what they have done. The average FO I fly with is looking for a way out rather than wait for the flow, and hates and distrusts the company for what they have done.
It's pretty much "I hate this place and will do as little as possible". You can see that mentality in the gate agents, the ground workers, and even middle management. Everyone does just enough not to get fired. The product has gone down the tubes.
But somehow we still dupe a few individuals every month into this amazing flow! I say dupe because no one discusses how long they will be crew scheduling a ***** in reserve, or how few days off per month they will be getting.
The pilot group as a whole is generally still disgruntled. The super senior guys could care less, but hate and distrust the company for what they have done. The guys soon to flow see the light at the end of the tunnel, but hate and distrust the company for what they have done. The average FO I fly with is looking for a way out rather than wait for the flow, and hates and distrusts the company for what they have done.
It's pretty much "I hate this place and will do as little as possible". You can see that mentality in the gate agents, the ground workers, and even middle management. Everyone does just enough not to get fired. The product has gone down the tubes.
But somehow we still dupe a few individuals every month into this amazing flow! I say dupe because no one discusses how long they will be crew scheduling a ***** in reserve, or how few days off per month they will be getting.
Remember, though, that we have had pretty awesome on time/completion stats in recent months. I've heard from union people that the company interprets those numbers to mean everything is just fine with employee morale. In reality most of have just given up and don't want to get hassled, and so the brakes get dropped. We are a pretty broken pilot group (morale-wise) but the numbers are good so management says "ops check good."
03-31-2016 | 10:26 AM
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I would say that this is pretty accurate. There are a handful who are more the cheerleading type, but the majority seem to fit into the above description.
Remember, though, that we have had pretty awesome on time/completion stats in recent months. I've heard from union people that the company interprets those numbers to mean everything is just fine with employee morale. In reality most of have just given up and don't want to get hassled, and so the brakes get dropped. We are a pretty broken pilot group (morale-wise) but the numbers are good so management says "ops check good."
Remember, though, that we have had pretty awesome on time/completion stats in recent months. I've heard from union people that the company interprets those numbers to mean everything is just fine with employee morale. In reality most of have just given up and don't want to get hassled, and so the brakes get dropped. We are a pretty broken pilot group (morale-wise) but the numbers are good so management says "ops check good."
03-31-2016 | 11:07 AM
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03-31-2016 | 11:22 AM
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03-31-2016 | 01:24 PM
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Yup, I make sure M51 with descriptions get sent as soon as there is a station delay. (Looking at you PDT!) just because they don't care doesn't mean I am going to take the delay for you.
03-31-2016 | 06:34 PM
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If they call me inquiring about a delay I'll be sure to return the communication in the same time frame that they return mine.
I'm still waiting on returned phone calls from last summer and emails from two weeks ago.
I'm still waiting on returned phone calls from last summer and emails from two weeks ago.
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