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Old 12-14-2016 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr
Guess we all missed the displacement bid they sent out?

I see nothing that will cause them to displace from anything other than the crj, and even that one is a big IF.
Exactly what I thought. You have no positive information to put to the Envoy pilot group.

That flow is just going to keep on ticking after the 824 right? I think you are in for a surprise.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Yes, relax guys, there won't be any displacement bids. If and that is a big IF the CRJ's are transferred to PSA, the flow will absorb any kind of displacements.

BTW my seniority # moved up drastically!
Is it a "big IF"? We just announced a new base. A new base that coincides with when our management has stated that Parker and AAG want to resume transfer of the 700s. No one here is overly eager to take delivery of your old clapped out 700s (we'd much rather have more 900s). But call a spade a spade. At least you guys will flow so many in 2017 it won't really matter. Were still stuck at 5 /month and that likely won't increase to 6 until the summer.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Is it a "big IF"? We just announced a new base. A new base that coincides with when our management has stated that Parker and AAG want to resume transfer of the 700s. No one here is overly eager to take delivery of your old clapped out 700s (we'd much rather have more 900s). But call a spade a spade. At least you guys will flow so many in 2017 it won't really matter. Were still stuck at 5 /month and that likely won't increase to 6 until the summer.
We have to agree that they are clapped out though! Didnt you guys undercut envoy awhile back? 5/6 flows per month?? WOW.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
We have to agree that they are clapped out though! Didnt you guys undercut envoy awhile back? 5/6 flows per month?? WOW.
I'm sure you can read back and find that info for yourself. Envoy pilots say it happened one way, and PSA pilots say it happened another. Meanwhile the rest of the industry looks on with indifference and the world keeps turning. Our flow is set to increase, and we are negotiating with management to change / increase the flow metric, but for now that's what it is. Every month, we lose twice as many to UA and DA than we flow to AA.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I'm sure you can read back and find that info for yourself. Envoy pilots say it happened one way, and PSA pilots say it happened another. Meanwhile the rest of the industry looks on with indifference and the world keeps turning. Our flow is set to increase, and we are negotiating with management to change / increase the flow metric, but for now that's what it is. Every month, we lose twice as many to UA and DA than we flow to AA.
Don't even try kidding yourself. Envoy's flow is vastly superior to PSA's and always will be. We are almost to the short upgrade that you guys had at one point. Plus, we are flowing new hires to AA in just under 6 years.

Why do you feel it necessary to invade the Envoy thread and spew PSA pie in the sky projections? And for the record, the CRJ-700's aren't clapped out now, but they will be after being on your property for just a few months.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dacuj
Don't even try kidding yourself. Envoy's flow is vastly superior to PSA's and always will be. We are almost to the short upgrade that you guys had at one point. Plus, we are flowing new hires to AA in just under 6 years.

Why do you feel it necessary to invade the Envoy thread and spew PSA pie in the sky projections? And for the record, the CRJ-700's aren't clapped out now, but they will be after being on your property for just a few months.
Huh? Upgrade is still at around 2-2.5 years at PSA and will be for quite some time. We're upgrading 15-20 every month. And no one is arguing that your flow is superior and I was not trying to make this a measuring contest you weirdo. You sure do seem to be the casting your own "pie in the sky projections" and seem awful defensive
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Old 12-14-2016 | 11:58 AM
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How about you all get a room and slap box it out k thx.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Huh? Upgrade is still at around 2-2.5 years at PSA and will be for quite some time. We're upgrading 15-20 every month. And no one is arguing that your flow is superior and I was not trying to make this a measuring contest you weirdo. You sure do seem to be the casting your own "pie in the sky projections" and seem awful defensive
The difference is that Envoy's projections have proven themselves over the past year and a half. PSA keeps projecting bigger flow, more airplanes, big numbers of new hires. But.....nothing seems to be happening really on any of those fronts.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dacuj
The difference is that Envoy's projections have proven themselves over the past year and a half. PSA keeps projecting bigger flow, more airplanes, big numbers of new hires. But.....nothing seems to be happening really on any of those fronts.
Since when did you become the resident PSA expert? We're hiring 40-50 /month. We're upgrading 15-20 /month. Our flow is tied to the number of active CAs on property so it will increase (but not to the amount that Envoy flows, at least not under our current metric. We'll see what fruit negotiations bare), and according to American Airlines management and PSA management the 700s will be joining the PSA fleet beginning in 2017 through 2018.

Which Envoy projections have proven true?

For the record, I didn't come on here intending to get in a contest with Cuj or anyone from Envoy over this nonsense. Just correcting whatever snake oil Cuj is peddling. I hope all of you have a merry Christmas and a happy kwanza. Mazeltov.
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Old 12-14-2016 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Machwon
This is why seniority is everything. Guys who were holding off classes for the mighty 175 will now find themselves being displaced off of it. While that guy who took the first class offered, even though it was for the crj, could now find himself being displaced into the 175. It's all about seniority.

I have a question I thought your seniority number was off your date of hire Or is it off of when you finish training? Or is it off of some other magical day?
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