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01-24-2017 | 06:17 AM

#6581

Pntbllr233

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Originally Posted by cbrittle

for those interested....ioe is on a 2 week backlog as of today. Just received my call from scheduling.

Which airframe? I know someone still waiting for IOE on the 145 and he finished in mid-December. I finished late in my class because of some paperwork issues. Even the guys ahead of me in my class still haven't heard anything. This is all on the 145.

01-24-2017 | 06:30 AM

#6582

Smutter

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Originally Posted by Bhawkdrvr

Smutter, thanks for the quick reply. My apologies, about the "dumb" thing. It wasn't at you or anything you said. I was referring to my questions in general terms. I guess the confusion was created because I used your quote. I meant it to show that I already had a partial answer. Again, sorry for the confusion. A lot gets lost through text.
So I can expect to commute to DFW, remain there (at work whether RAP or on a trip) for 5 days, then I can commute home for 2-3 days? Or are you saying 5 days working, travel home for 11 days before I go back to DFW?

Sounds good! 5 days rap then 2-3 days off. 11 days off for the entire month.

Example from the bid package:
5 on 3 off, 5 on 2 off, 5 on 3 off, 4 on 3 off.

Best way to proffer for this since you will commute is,
Proffer for a 4 day trip on day one that ends early, and get 4am rap on day 5(if trips are available to proffer for), or proffer 4am rap on day 1, then grab a trip for days 2-5. But that takes knowing where you fall on the reserve list and what trips are available. You will learn to proffer quickly on reserve.

01-24-2017 | 07:24 AM

#6583

Bhawkdrvr

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Wow! That's gotta be hell on commuters, how long does one generally sit in reserve? Is it the advertised 4-8months?

01-24-2017 | 10:34 AM

#6584

pr1m3

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Originally Posted by Bhawkdrvr

Wow! That's gotta be hell on commuters, how long does one generally sit in reserve? Is it the advertised 4-8months?

That is a good question, which I'm sure is likely answered with "it depends" I imagine. I am in the same boat as you and trying to acquire as much information as possible before jumping in head first.

Another question I have concerning Envoy is domicile. Is DFW "easy" to get for a domicile for new hires currently? I'd like to homestead in DFW and of course not commute if possible.

Additionally, how is it that Envoy projects upgrade within 2.5 years but currently the most junior CA have DOH in 2011? By my math that is closer to 6 years, the same amount of time they foresee flow to AAL.

01-24-2017 | 11:59 AM

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Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by pr1m3

Last question first. The number of new hires between 2012-2015 is less than the number of pilots in 2011. 250ish pilots were hired between both of those time periods. We have had a lot of stagnation over the past 5 years but now we are upgrading about 100 every three months. So it's only going to take about 8 months to upgrade four years of pilots. On the last bid we had 2012 new hires upgrade so we are about to see a steep drop in upgrade time this year.

Commuting on reserve is like you said hellish. No way to mitigate the pain of it. With reserve not being commutable it is brutal. Some people can make it commutable but depending on where you commute from makes it impossible to commute in the day before.

Good news in reserve time is dropping like a rock right now.

01-24-2017 | 12:34 PM

#6586

MidLife

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Originally Posted by pr1m3

Additionally, how is it that Envoy projects upgrade within 2.5 years but currently the most junior CA have DOH in 2011? By my math that is closer to 6 years, the same amount of time they foresee flow to AAL.

I don't speak from knowledge, just guessing - they probably are seeing attrition from pilots dissatisfied with the low QoL, and can project based on the attrition. I don't think they will ever post attrition numbers - no one wants to air dirty laundry...

01-24-2017 | 12:55 PM

#6587

pr1m3

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Commuting on reserve is like you said hellish. No way to mitigate the pain of it. With reserve not being commutable it is brutal. Some people can make it commutable but depending on where you commute from makes it impossible to commute in the day before.

Good news in reserve time is dropping like a rock right now.

Thanks for the prompt answers, much appreciated. However, it spurs new questions from me.

Reserve not being commutable, is that policy that you must be in say DFW for your reserve time, or would it be possible to commute from somewhere like San Antonio that has around 10 flights a day and hang out at the DFW airport or local area until the end of your reserve time for the day and commute back home?

Can you expound a bit on reserve time dropping like a rock? You mean people are gaining seniority quickly in order to hold a line or?

01-24-2017 | 01:09 PM

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Pcruz28

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Originally Posted by Bhawkdrvr

Wow! That's gotta be hell on commuters, how long does one generally sit in reserve? Is it the advertised 4-8months?

I got off IOE in October and looks like I might be off reserve in May or June according to the flow plan.

01-24-2017 | 01:14 PM

#6589

Pcruz28

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Originally Posted by MidLife

I think there was 100 CA (Correct me if I'm wrong) openings on the last bid... so 250 from the last guy the was awarded the upgrade would be around 3 to 4 upgrade bids until it hits everyone between 2011 and 2015... we were told to expect further upgrade bids with similar sizes. So the math works all we can do is wait honestly.

01-24-2017 | 02:52 PM

#6590

Weekendwarrior2

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Originally Posted by Pcruz28

Only problem is the dated 3,000 TT requirement for upgrade. Guys were passed over in the latest bid due to not having the total time required to upgrade. I only anticipate more in forthcoming vacancies. You can't expect new hires to have that 3,000 hours in 2.5 years if they are hired on with only a R-ATP with 1,000 hours total. I'm not sure what other regionals requirement is, but I'm assuming they'll have to lower this requirement soon to keep up with the amount of CA's needed IMO. Not the worst problem to have though, I just never thought I'd see this becoming a problem because I didn't think upgrade time would drop so fast.