All you guys touting flow as the only way to get to the big 3 make me laugh. You do realize that they have just started to hire don't you? The legacy interviews will eventually be no different than the regionals. Can you fog a mirror? Welcome to Delta/United/American.

OK that might be a bit of a stretch, but do you honestly think they can afford to continue to uphold the hiring standards that they currently do? The flood gates are just beginning to open. Things are going to look very different in the next 3 to 5 years.

 

"And Mesa has flight benefits on DL and UA."

How do Mesa pilots get DL flight benifets without operating a Delta codeshare?

 

Far from it. As I said elsewhere, my crystal ball is OOF.

However, I am smart enough to realize that EVERY regional sucks, and the haters are here to make sure everyone knows about it.

Insurance? I can afford it, easily. Why would you assume I can't?

 

Sorry, I mis-spoke. Corrected!

 

Well I'm glad you can afford to work for Mesa. Most of us do this job to make a living/support a family. Mesa will continue to drag down the industry as long as people like you show up to class. As far as every regional sucking, well let's just say most suck a whole lot less than Mesa. You have devout Mesa cheerleaders telling you Mesa is a bad bet. A year ago these were the guys lauding how the low pay at Mesa didn't matter because you would upgrade in under 2 years and make (low) captain pay. Now their tune has changed significantly. These are not guys who are sticking around and trying to get you to stay away because they want a better contract. Take it for what it's worth which is basically nothing.

You come here asking for advice. You've got guys who have experience at these companies giving it, and you shoot it down like you know better.

 

Bob there are glaring mistakes and gaping holes in your attempt to compare Mesa with Envoy. Too many for me to even get into right now, but let me just touch on two:

Mesa's flight benefits are not in the same ballpark as Envoy's. Not even in the same league. Just to give you an idea, on AA flights Mesa pilots have priority below every single AA/Envoy employee from pilots down to the guy who sweeps the hangar floor. That's just for starters.

Second, the iPads which AA/Envoy provides is not only free, but ours to keep as well. Every 4 years pilots at Envoy and AA will be issued the newest iPad at the time at which point you keep your current one. You don't return it. You would only have to return it if you quit Envoy or AA prior to being issued the next iPad.

In any case, like I said before there is just too much in your previous posts to go through it all. Just go to Mesa if that's where you think you will be happy. In a year when you are wanting to make a lateral move I hope you remember this thread. As someone else mentioned, it seems like you have it all figured out already. You have guys with decades worth of airline experience trying to give you advice but you seem to not want to take it.

 

envoy's current reserve time is already at 18 months. It went from 4 years to 18 month in less than a 12 month time period. Care to guess what it will in another 12 months? Reserve and Upgrade times are fluid and current times are rarely a good indicator of future, whether good or bad. Do you pull last week's METARs and TAFs when planning a flight today?

When I was hired in 2004, there was only a few more classes before they stopped hiring for about 6 months and even then, it was slow hiring. Guys that were hired just a month or two before me spent just a month on reserve and I spent two years. Timing is everything and not everything situation can be anticipated.

Given the fact that we are seeing a large number of block hours being returned to envoy (25% increase in flying by the end of the first quarter) and based on new hire classes for the last few months, we will not have a grossly overstaffed reserve group that we have today and we will have many leaving off the top and coming in on the bottom keeping things moving. Reserve Time for a new hire today likely be around 9 to 12 months.

Reserve at envoy is one of the best systems at the regional level. Proffering and a highly regulated assignment process makes reserve a little more tolerable. Its still a regional but you have more control than most. Because of this, we have many senior CAs and FOs that bid reserve due to the QOL that they can attain.

 

Bob, I would take what this guy and the post above his and do what anybody with any sense would. Flush it down the toilet.

Sure, I agree that Envoy has the best flight benefits of any regional. But, do you want to be on reserve for 3 years as an FO where you can't use them? Or even if you are only on reserve for 18 months as stated above. There are other regionals you can go to today where you'll be sitting in the LEFT SEAT in 18 months, not on $35-$40 an hour FO reserve at Envoy. Who treats their reserves like dog **** by the way. That left seat time will be far more valuable than the 40 hours per month you'll fly on Envoy reserve. Why not Piedmont? They have the AA flow and a 12-18 month upgrade.

These two jokers above would be better served if they would just walk away from Envoy and directly onto the nearest pre-owned lot where they can fill their potential buyers heads with BS and get a real commission out of it.

 

He wants to live in DFW. What part of that you don't understand????

 

Sounds like he's decided Mesa fits him better for DFW.