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-   -   Retention Bonuses at Envoy (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/93685-retention-bonuses-envoy.html)

buddies8 03-01-2016 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2079856)
We didn't throw anybody under the bus to get this. Rehash whatever you like, but that was the end result of 3 years ago.
You sure about that?

272922 03-01-2016 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Da Magic (Post 2079859)
More ENTITLED generation talk from PSA and PDT. I'm glad those Captains there aren't getting a dime of retention(as of now). Most likely they were the YES voters.
Most of the yes voters are already flying mainline metal.

highflyer1980 03-01-2016 04:20 PM
About time for the this bonus to show up. Wish they would just increase the FO pay scales instead.

Fopuddle 03-01-2016 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2079869)
You're joking right? You're trying to act like PSA and Envoy have each other's backs and that we're a team? Envoy was the only sellout? Remember when Envoy stood up against management along with many other carriers and PSA got on their knees and sold out? So now that you've stabbed everyone in the back and took concessions now you want to act like PSA is are high and mighty and honorable. Give me a break. Even if what you say is true, there is no unity between the PSA and Envoy MECs. There could have been a great alliance between the two but PSA were the ones to sell out. Remember. It's every man for himself now. PSA blew it.
Not only they got on their knees, but now they can bend forward... Apparently they are pretty flexible

Fopuddle 03-01-2016 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079872)
Most of the yes voters are already flying mainline metal.
Sure, all 20 of them

eaglefly 03-01-2016 04:30 PM
Just as I described yesterday, I see the Jackals cannot live without me and are howling for my arrival. :rolleyes:

I think the bonuses for present F/O's are a good thing since they'll need it. Since the upgrade schedule is proving depressing and the flow schedule is a complete wildcard, F/O's will need more money because they will stay F/O's longer. But management isn't doing this because of some change in philosophy toward their pilots, it's kinda like the kid who bought his mother a football for Christmas. It serves their immediate purposes of blunting attrition. This is highlighted by the latest report from Envoy pilots of a miniscule 3 new-hires this month which is what I forecasted. Spikes due to pipeline pilots clearing colleges will occur, but infrequently and thus Envoy like most regionals are screwed when it comes to replacement pilots.

Will this bonus draw in pilots from other regionals ? IMO, not likely, at least in any significant numbers. PROVEN advancement is what brings them running as others have cash offers, but that doesn't seem to be the primary draw. Will this bonus prevent a pilot from taking a legacy or LCC job ? Nope. Will it prevent lateral moves to other regionals ? Yes and no, considering most already won't do that just as most at other regionals will not bail unless their regional is failing or they are truly low-tier like Silver, Great Shakes, etc. Bottom line, it won't be a huge game changer IMO in truly significant numbers, but it IS good if present F/O's can at least get a little extra cash for all the abuses and stagnation they have and will endure.

eaglefly 03-01-2016 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 2079720)
So a retention bonus for FOs, nothing for the captains that scraped by on crap wages for 10+ years waiting to upgrade. Classy move AA
This is NOT an indication of respect for the pilot group and shouldn't be confused as such. It is a mechanism to principally benefit managements problems first. One might consider this a "divide and conquer" move in normal times, but in this case I think it's simply a finger they believe they HAVE to plug in the dike as with 3 new-hires this month, they know they are toast if the legacies and LCC's ramp up a Summmer hiring wave leaving Envoy high and dry which increases risk AAG will see that Envoy's pinch-hitter ability is of limited duration.

Da Magic 03-01-2016 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2079872)
Most of the yes voters are already flying mainline metal.
That's a big fat negative.

7AC2B60 03-01-2016 04:52 PM
Most junior captain DOH
 
from Envoy listed information on APC:

Envoy Air | AirlinePilotCentral.com

"This page last updated: February 3, 2016"

DFW: May 2007 (E175), Apr 2007 (E145)
ORD: Nov 2007 (CRJ), Sep 2007 (E145)

is upgrade info current?

domicile, mo/yr & aircraft

if not, please post current upgrade info as of today. tx

SEPfield 03-01-2016 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2079901)
This is NOT an indication of respect for the pilot group and shouldn't be confused as such. It is a mechanism to principally benefit managements problems first. One might consider this a "divide and conquer" move in normal times, but in this case I think it's simply a finger they believe they HAVE to plug in the dike as with 3 new-hires this month, they know they are toast if the legacies and LCC's ramp up a Summmer hiring wave leaving Envoy high and dry which increases risk AAG will see that Envoy's pinch-hitter ability is of limited duration.
I would never make the mistake of thinking that AAG has even the smallest amount of respect for any pilot group, Mainline or wholly owned.


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