Kind of inaccurate. The dates are correct but there are YEARS after 2007 envoy didn't hire or had less than 50 new hires.

Envoy Pilots had no vote on this. This was kept secret until it was announced today.

It's just my opinion, but I think it's yet another move by a clumsy MEC that might feel good to some and might seem politically correct (who could argue with giving low pay F/O's more money ?), but just as in the past, from a leverage standpoint, they sold everyone short. As painful as it is, the biggest leverage tool is to have the fortitude to give management the rope they need to hang themselves. That rope is letting their attrition reality mature to the point they HAVE to take the pilot group seriously. This "blink" actually hurts Envoy pilots more then helps them.

Management hopes this will be at minimum a successful can-kicking exercise to get them through the year and perhaps longer. I don't think it will pan out as good as they hoped, but it's certain to me the pilots will be no stronger in the future because of the MEC's agreement with this scheme. In the interim, the F/O's who actually do see some $$$ should make the best of it.

ok, so next FO's to upgrade are still 2007 hire date, but upgrade time should reduce from 9 years, depending on captain upgrade/attrition.....correct??

what needs to occur for new hires to upgrade in company projected 2.5 yr timeline?

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We can use whatever gaps in hiring to try to explain the current upgrade DOH marker, but the issue still remains that there are many hundreds of our pilots that will need to upgrade to make the hypothetical Charlie Bucket marker.

That's what will need to happen to get a newhire from zero to left seat in 2.5 years.

Is it possible at some point for a new hire to make it to the left seat in 2.5 years? Sure... But they keep moving the goalposts of when the 2.5 starts.

So long story short is that even though you stabbed us in the back, you want us all to sit around the camp fire and sing kumbaya? GFY. Newsflash...there is no unity and there never will be any unity between the WO's. Thank the PSA pilots for that, past and present.

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AAG played you and you blame PSA. Place your blame where it belongs.

We should have started at least 20 upgrades a month starting May 2015 when the announcement was made but the company didn't do that. They waited. Now we need to be running upgrade classes around 38 a month. My opinion is that our training center does not have that capacity. We constantly ran into scheduling issues with IOE in years past.

Bonuses are taxed at 25%, plus state. Depending on your personal tax situation, you can actually end up paying more taxes throughout the year if the bonus was taxed at the same rate as your regular pay.

It all comes out at the end of the tax year, either way. If you make a little, 25% now will seem like a lot of taxes. If you make a lot, 25% will seem like a little. But after you file, it all becomes the same.

so upgrades promised/projected, but not occurring per company schedule??.....option for negotiating required upgrade times per company schedule, if not completed timely, then company required to pay add'l $$ to those "delayed" pilots....financial motivation will level your playing field, otherwise your pilot group will be "played"....no time better than the present.