Hah, this is 100% true.

Have been in countless vans or had jumpsuit discussions with Republic, Skywest, Mesa and whoever elses regional pilots wishing they had our flow when they hear about it.

 

Quick take from this Envoy pilot:

As long as the flow remains the biggest selling point to get new hires, it won't work. It's a nice cherry on top if everything else were equal, but Envoy is not equal with Endeavor, Skywest, and others. The world has changed since we signed Parker and Glass' contract a year and a half ago.

The biggest selling point to a job cannot be, "In a 5.5 years, you won't have to work here anymore."

However, if they changed the culture of this place and made the job attractive from day 1, their staffing problems would be gone.

It remains to be seen which path they will take when the flow fails to attract adequate numbers.


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Very good post and I agree with your points. I would add that more money is needed. ENY is currently one of the three lowest paid regionals (not counting the signing bonus) and with the line values hovering right around the 72 hour guarantee plus the much shorter upgrade of PSA and Mesa, years 3-8 (as it sits right now) has ENY FOs as the lowest paid - Mesa and PSA both have approximately a two year upgrade, so pilots years 3-8 are making captain pay.

 

IMO they need to work a hell of a lot harder if they want to attract new hires in the numbers needed. Of course It'll be a react, not act, philosophy.

 

Lol oh yeah... So true. They're mostly just chuckling at you as your pompous a** leaves because Doug has sold you a bill of goods. While most other regional pilots are getting gains in pay and quality of life, you're getting jack because of your superior "flow". Oh, and of course 175's... which everyone has already anyway. Your flow is just a way to keep wages down while the rest of the industry is trending up.

"A rising tide lifts all ships, unless the ship is owned by AAG, and driven by morons"


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You were responding to FirstClass, but it feels like this is at least partly aimed at me. So allow me to retort...

The was no luck involved in my life choices. The path was clearly defined then, the same as it is today. Broadly speaking, go to college and get a degree in a MEANINGFUL major that will lead to solid, a high-paying job (ie. finance, engineering, etc). Work your butt off...STARTING IN HIGH SCHOOL...to distinguish yourself from your competition.

Luck = preparation + opportunity

If you aren't prepared when the opportunity comes along (either to recognize it or take advantage of it when it does), then you won't have any "luck".

In my case, then as now, a finance degree followed by going to Wall St. is a time-tested, well-worn, and well-known path to financial independence.

The REAL issue was, then as now, most kids don't want to work. Same for adults. And today, they expect to be rewarded for not doing a dam thing and are even now demanding that their college education be provided for free by taxpayers.

I'm sick and tired from hearing from the UNDER-ACHIEVERS who claim that anyone's success (other than a trust fund baby) was "luck". Bullcaca. And even then, a guy like Donald Trump WORKS HIS BUTT OFF. Say what you want to about Trump, but he works his tail off everyday.

The fact of the matter is, if you CHOSE not to go to college, if you CHOSE to fly for a living vs. getting a real job to start out, if you CAN'T afford a pay cut, if you are living paycheck to paycheck, and if you are NOT financially independent....it's because YOU CHOSE THAT PATH.

People need to balls up and take responsibility for their choices in life, especially the poor choices. And stop claiming others who made wiser choices than you were "lucky". Stop with the whiny, victimy bullcaca.

ANY natural-born US pilot flying 121 today could have gone to college, gotten a solid degree, and earned financial independence PRIOR to becoming a professional pilot. You don't get to look down upon those who did and call it "luck". You haven't earned the right to do that.

 

$10.00 says you're a trust funded riddle grad who's at a regional like everyone else, and the closest you've been to wall street is your LGA overnights.

No one believes your the wolf of Wall Street, quit trying.


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If I were the crew and you were on my "jumpsuit" spewing the info you put out, I would realize what an arrogant p***k I was giving a ride. Then I would laugh at that a regional pilot was gullible enough to believe this BS.

 

First, find me one pilot anywhere who "hates the idea that a regional airline has flow to mainline".

I'll wait.

 

Spoken like a high school dropout.