How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flowthrough Works

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03-21-2016 | 05:02 AM

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Yes, a two month dent. If you read the OP, you will see no attrition to OAL taken into consideration. So if you want to be picky, reduce my original post numbers by 10 months minimum and consider attrition to OAL also. I wanted to be conservative but obviously, you would rather me not.

Two months only? You have no earthly clue how many undefers there are.

03-21-2016 | 05:06 AM

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Two months only? You have no earthly clue how many undefers there are.

Nobody does, it's a number that remains to be seen. Eaglefly felt the need to throw the number 3-6 months while others think it's more like 2. I would guess 2 as well but I could be totally wrong. Nobody knows. You sound angry.

03-21-2016 | 06:12 AM

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Yep. And it's two months more fighting with this place.

03-21-2016 | 06:39 AM

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Now that you bring it up, we're still in limbo waiting to find out how many AA pilots are returning to meet the cutoff date in May. We'll also have to see if the training center has a slowdown in July, and closes the doors over the holiday season. All of that is going to affect how many actually make it to AA this year compared to the fluctuating numbers spammed by the company.

My understanding is they will begin the PROCESS of contacting pilots in May and moving up the list of the some 875 pilots or so still subject to Letter T, so it will not be a specific number known right then, but evolve as they work their way through the list. As they fill classes, the percentage of those accepting will likely vary depending where they are on the list thus the overall percentage will change as the recall process continues. If they run through all 875 or so and only fill a few months classes, it will be over soon. One variable that may impact their decisions is the timing of the release of the ISL. It may be that some of those pilots will have the luxury of factoring that in, unless the arbitrators surprise us with an early release.

03-21-2016 | 09:39 AM

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Two months only? You have no earthly clue how many undefers there are.

My two month quote was regarding the time difference between being selected to flow and showing up for class. That's the two month dent. You should read the post I was referring to.

03-22-2016 | 06:39 PM

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Word is Envoy will still flow while recalls are coming back, just at a little slower rate.

03-22-2016 | 06:57 PM

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Word is Envoy will still flow while recalls are coming back, just at a little slower rate.

Heard this as well and I'm pleasantly surprised. I honestly thought there would be a 2-3 month pause this summer. But turns out they will continue to flow for those months before picking back up full strength in July or August.

03-22-2016 | 07:24 PM

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Word is Envoy will still flow while recalls are coming back, just at a little slower rate.

Heard this too, but unfortunately heard that the unofficial word is that there will be quite a few recalls. How many was neither disclosed, nor known. But it won't likely be a small number like we were hoping. The good thing is that from the sounds of it AAG and envoy management are going to continue to mix in flows with the recalls, just a slower rate.

That being said, it is what it is. It's not new news by any means as we all knew that recalls would be exercising their contractual right to come back to AA. It is good to hear that AAG is not putting a halt on the flow entirely at least.

03-23-2016 | 06:01 AM

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enough projections and counter projections

please provide current FO time on reserve, DOH of most recent upgrade and DOH of most recent pilot flow to AAG....then update information monthly.

thank you!

03-25-2016 | 02:47 AM

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please provide current FO time on reserve, DOH of most recent upgrade and DOH of most recent pilot flow to AAG....then update information monthly.

thank you!

Reserve time for the CRJ in ORD is currently 8 months. For the E175 in DFW will be less. We just started putting new hires in it beginning 3/28 so we don't even have a current time on reserve to give you. Reserve on the E145 is much much higher but new hires are not going to that aircraft.