Originally Posted by Flightsoffusion

Not trying to derail the dirty diaper toss, does anyone know if this only applies to a specific type of 135 work? Have a load of 135 helicopter time and curious if they consider it. I can already assume what the answer is. Better yet, can anyone point to a place where the details are specified? Thank you.

Originally Posted by Flightsoffusion

Not trying to derail the dirty diaper toss, does anyone know if this only applies to a specific type of 135 work? Have a load of 135 helicopter time and curious if they consider it. I can already assume what the answer is. Better yet, can anyone point to a place where the details are specified? Thank you.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky

The best person to seek that answer would be to email a recruiter [email protected]. They will have the details. That bonus program was instituted as a way to attract experienced pilots who would need a little more financial incentive without having to pay pilots just entering the industry who would come anyway. I would guess that, as long as you have the time, they wouldn't be to particular over the details.

I would encourage any pilot considering envoy and would like a more candid discussion without the diaper tossing to go to Eagle Lounge. There are far few "non envoy" diaper throwers over there.

Originally Posted by ag386

I think the flow is working well right now. Envoy/AAG has made a critical error by holding back 5 people a couple of months ago. That small action has hurt their credibility with the pilot cadre who desperately want to believe there is a way out of the Envoy quagmire.

My opinion is that once the 824 are gone and when/if the staffing problems I've noted come to fruition, you'll see a change of the flow where 30 aren't going each month, maybe 10 are. I say when/if because AAG could decide at the last minute that cheap feed is too valuable and they might decide to do something that surpasses Endeavor to attract the limited amount of aviators out there. Unprecedented is the word here as I believe AAG will do nothing until it absolutely has to. The grass is on fire in the barnyard now and that fire has crept to the edge of the building and is burning enough that the bottom boards of the barn are now smoking. As we know with AAG, the barn will become fully engulfed before meetings start on what to do.

The hiring well is fairly dry right now with all of the regionals competing for the same limited number of bodies. If AAG offered big bucks like Endeavor or something better, other guys who have gotten out completely or are working in another segment of aviation might decide to get back in. This is happening at Endeavor now.

Eagle and especially Envoy have typically violated agreements on a regular basis and made the quality of life unbearable for some. They continue with the page from the AMR playbook to aggressively discipline and punish instead of making the work environment friendly and easy to navigate.

I bailed due to the belief that I was far enough down the list that the flow would stop or be severely reduced before it got to me. I wasn't keen on making Envoy a career always waiting and hoping for that flow carrot that the company likes to dangle and then jerk away. The dismal Envoy hiring numbers I posted yesterday that Skyvector has buried his head in the sand about, were enough evidence that things weren't too rosy from my point of view. Low hiring numbers = stagnation and regression when Envoy is "right-sized" and no longer shrinking.

You've mentioned in the past that decisions about the flow and how they calculate the numbers were well above your paygrade and that people smarter than you came up with them. I assume from your postings that you were hired in 2011 or after. With that seniority, I would advise taking stock and looking at the situation. You may decide Envoy works for you and you want to wait for the flow. That's a personal decision and if it's yours and you've taken the time to examine the situation then that's great.

Originally Posted by Flightsoffusion

Diapers complete. Thanks. I sent an email but for some reason it's rejecting the address. We'll try again.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky

I would encourage any pilot considering envoy and would like a more candid discussion without the diaper tossing to go to Eagle Lounge. There are far few "non envoy" diaper throwers over there.

Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84

Christ you spend a lot of time worrying about envoy's future. I'm way too busy today to sift though yours and eaglefly's diatribe but I will correct you on the bolded statement. You might want to get the crystal ball of yours cleaned or at least a better mind reading machine...as previously stated I'm a current CA and about 2 years from flow...just outside of the 824. Getting a huge influx of new-hires doesn't really affect me, the only reason why I come on here is to dispel the lies that a certain few envoy haters like yourself like to make. You guys consistently state your opinion as fact. All the while, the second someone says anything positive about working here it comes off as being a salesman. Ridiculous if you ask me.

That being said, thanks for your career advise but you're the very last person who I would ever take it from. Have a great day, study up on those memory items, and keep that logbook updated!

Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84

Christ you spend a lot of time worrying about envoy's future. I'm way too busy today to sift though yours and eaglefly's diatribe but I will correct you on the bolded statement. You might want to get the crystal ball of yours cleaned or at least a better mind reading machine...as previously stated I'm a current CA and about 2 years from flow...just outside of the 824. Getting a huge influx of new-hires doesn't really affect me, the only reason why I come on here is to dispel the lies that a certain few envoy haters like yourself like to make. You guys consistently state your opinion as fact. All the while, the second someone says anything positive about working here it comes off as being a salesman. Ridiculous if you ask me.

That being said, thanks for your career advise but you're the very last person who I would ever take it from. Have a great day, study up on those memory items, and keep that logbook updated!

Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84

Christ you spend a lot of time worrying about envoy's future. I'm way too busy today to sift though yours and eaglefly's diatribe but I will correct you on the bolded statement. You might want to get the crystal ball of yours cleaned or at least a better mind reading machine...as previously stated I'm a current CA and about 2 years from flow...just outside of the 824. Getting a huge influx of new-hires doesn't really affect me, the only reason why I come on here is to dispel the lies that a certain few envoy haters like yourself like to make. You guys consistently state your opinion as fact. All the while, the second someone says anything positive about working here it comes off as being a salesman. Ridiculous if you ask me.

That being said, thanks for your career advise but you're the very last person who I would ever take it from. Have a great day, study up on those memory items, and keep that logbook updated!

Originally Posted by ag386

Congratulations on that Captain seat EaglePilot84. I hope you get used to it as you may very well be spending a bit more than 2 years there. If your posts in the past stating that "people up the chain way smarter than you are figuring out the flow" and you do indeed bank on that, I find it hard to believe you have missed so much in your at least 10 years or more at Eaglevoy. Use your brain Captain. It's not hard to figure out. You should be applying to United, Delta, Southwest, maybe even Alaska, Jetblue or even Spirit. At least by year 2, any one of them would be far superior to the QOL and pay you are currently receiving at Envoy.