Envoy Flow #'s
02-28-2022 | 09:04 AM
#131
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Controversial opinion inbound but arguing about flow length is 2019 nostalgia. If you don't find a way into mainline in the next 3 years you're going to be buried under 8-10k 25 year olds for the rest of your career. Full stop. Flow or no flow. At that point you may as well take your AA flownus money and go to Atlas and have an actual career.
03-01-2022 | 07:53 PM
#132
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From: Fully Retired
A very interesting point. My 17-year old son, who wants to be an airline pilot, cannot become a 121 regional pilot for another four years (age 21). Then he'll need a couple of years of 121 time before he's marketable to the majors. I wonder whether this major airline hiring bonanza of young pilots the next six years will indeed bury him under thousands of pilots, not much older than him, for decades. He's gonna blame my wife and I for not having him five years earlier!
03-02-2022 | 07:33 AM
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From: Resigned
A very interesting point. My 17-year old son, who wants to be an airline pilot, cannot become a 121 regional pilot for another four years (age 21). Then he'll need a couple of years of 121 time before he's marketable to the majors. I wonder whether this major airline hiring bonanza of young pilots the next six years will indeed bury him under thousands of pilots, not much older than him, for decades. He's gonna blame my wife and I for not having him five years earlier!
03-02-2022 | 07:39 AM
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03-02-2022 | 07:43 AM
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From: A320 FO
Controversial opinion inbound but arguing about flow length is 2019 nostalgia. If you don't find a way into mainline in the next 3 years you're going to be buried under 8-10k 25 year olds for the rest of your career. Full stop. Flow or no flow. At that point you may as well take your AA flownus money and go to Atlas and have an actual career.
03-02-2022 | 11:12 AM
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Even envoy knows this which is why they’re trying to attract and retain more cadets with the increased bonus. Kind of a joke that they’d rather throw money at new flight instructors instead of just making this place a little more bearable.
03-02-2022 | 12:34 PM
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03-02-2022 | 12:36 PM
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You are NOT getting any kind of seniority at AA
Likely parking airplanes in the near future
No min day credit in the horizon
JMs are here to stay
Lost days are here to stay
Long sits are here to stay
The 145 will continue in service for the foreseeable future
No 2nd year AA FO pay for CAs
No mergers between any WO’s
Quicktrade is dead. Completely.
Airline will shrink.
They are working on reserve rules as far as I know.
Todd is here to stay.
In other words get your apps out.
03-02-2022 | 12:50 PM
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You are NOT getting stapled to the bottom of the AA list
You are NOT getting any kind of seniority at AA
Likely parking airplanes in the near future
No min day credit in the horizon
JMs are here to stay
Lost days are here to stay
Long sits are here to stay
The 145 will continue in service for the foreseeable future
No 2nd year AA FO pay for CAs
No mergers between any WO’s
Quicktrade is dead. Completely.
Airline will shrink.
They are working on reserve rules as far as I know.
Todd is here to stay.
In other words get your apps out.
You are NOT getting any kind of seniority at AA
Likely parking airplanes in the near future
No min day credit in the horizon
JMs are here to stay
Lost days are here to stay
Long sits are here to stay
The 145 will continue in service for the foreseeable future
No 2nd year AA FO pay for CAs
No mergers between any WO’s
Quicktrade is dead. Completely.
Airline will shrink.
They are working on reserve rules as far as I know.
Todd is here to stay.
In other words get your apps out.
To expand on two seemingly contradictory items. Planes (didn’t say specifically, but obviously 145s) will LIKELY be parked in small numbers as attrition requires. They don’t PLAN to just park the fleet and transition everyone over. They don’t have training capacity to do that and aren’t going to let people sit idle waiting for training slots. They are going to wring every bit of flying out of anyone qualified and every plane they can.
Also, for the foreseeable future Envoy said they will continue to flow 20/month. The March slow down at AA did not affect any Envoy flows.
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