Controversial opinion inbound but arguing about flow length is 2019 nostalgia. If you don't find a way into mainline in the next 3 years you're going to be buried under 8-10k 25 year olds for the rest of your career. Full stop. Flow or no flow. At that point you may as well take your AA flownus money and go to Atlas and have an actual career.

A very interesting point. My 17-year old son, who wants to be an airline pilot, cannot become a 121 regional pilot for another four years (age 21). Then he'll need a couple of years of 121 time before he's marketable to the majors. I wonder whether this major airline hiring bonanza of young pilots the next six years will indeed bury him under thousands of pilots, not much older than him, for decades. He's gonna blame my wife and I for not having him five years earlier!

Of course, you should have had him earlier. Beer came out through my nose when I read that.

Well, someone’s gotta move the landing gear lever up and down. It might get stale after 40 years though.

But these kids just wanna fly!! At least they’re getting to live their dream!

Clearly Envoy’s biggest celebrity didn’t see much value in the flow either. And it’s not like he is old.

Everyone knows the flow has no value when hiring is as crazy as it is right now. Guys/girls that flow in Jan 2023 will have 2000+ people above them hired this year.

Even envoy knows this which is why they’re trying to attract and retain more cadets with the increased bonus. Kind of a joke that they’d rather throw money at new flight instructors instead of just making this place a little more bearable.

I missed the all calls. What are the cliff notes of both meetings? Any good info or good questions asked and answered?

Management is offering nothing to address the attrition problem except nasty schedules, junior mans, and SCC. Business as usual. Zzz.

You are NOT getting stapled to the bottom of the AA list
You are NOT getting any kind of seniority at AA
Likely parking airplanes in the near future
No min day credit in the horizon
JMs are here to stay
Lost days are here to stay
Long sits are here to stay
The 145 will continue in service for the foreseeable future
No 2nd year AA FO pay for CAs
No mergers between any WO’s
Quicktrade is dead. Completely.
Airline will shrink.
They are working on reserve rules as far as I know.
Todd is here to stay.
In other words get your apps out.