Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2175836)

PM anyone who sounds reasonable, I don't think people here are against sharing info with someone interested in working here. I personally wouldn't PM the super-negative ones because you already know the answer you're going to get, but don't discard their public arguments entirely. No regional is perfect. Their opinions do carry some truth.

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2175889)

The bolded part is absolutely a false statement. I would give no regard to any of the negativity you see here. It's all done by a few disgruntled ex employees who have an ax to grind with the company. Their statements carry zero weight and are not true whatsoever.

You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2175889)

The bolded part is absolutely a false statement. I would give no regard to any of the negativity you see here. It's all done by a few disgruntled ex employees who have an ax to grind with the company. Their statements carry zero weight and are not true whatsoever.

You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2175889)

The bolded part is absolutely a false statement. I would give no regard to any of the negativity you see here. It's all done by a few disgruntled ex employees who have an ax to grind with the company. Their statements carry zero weight and are not true whatsoever.



You can certainly PM me or I would PM either Skyvector, go skers or Eaglepilot84. All three definitely work here, have a clear picture of what is going on and can paint the best picture of the company in real terms.

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox (Post 2175994)

You're joking, right?

No. Of course not. I'd list all the issues we have here, but they are plain as day if anyone reads this thread. I'll not be baited into some anti-envoy rant by a posi-troll like you.

Pay no attention to CR, he's like a timeshare salesman. He'll tell you all about the location, amenities and investment opportunity regarding the ski resort home but neglect to tell you the only week available is in May after the snow is gone and everything's turned to mud. And it takes an average 8 years to trade into a winter week.

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2176145)

No doubt there are issues here. But there are issues at every regional and major airline.

It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2176145)

No doubt there are issues here. But there are issues at every regional and major airline.

It doesn't change the fact that you have a flow to American Airlines. That right there is your game changer. It would be helpful if you could get on board and attempt to change the direction of this thread and stop with all of the negativity. It's no secret that Envoy, and all regionals for that matter, need new guys. Try to be part of the solution and help fix the problem instead of continuing to make things difficult by painting Envoy in the worst possible light.

Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2170463)

Your understanding? Have you even taken your type ride yet? You haven't even learned how to keep up with your shiny new jet much less understand the industry. The flow is a contractual provision, just like pay, days off and vacation days. Why don't you get a few years under your belt in this profession before you grace others with your "understanding".

Let me illustrate. Remember the beginning of this summer how all the town crier's and naysayers where running around saying that envoy management were going to cancel vacations etc. We are now in the end of July and not one vacation was cancelled. The same proves true with the flow. You will always have the members of the Envoy Haters Club ( their leader was recently banned btw) claiming the flow won't work. The fact reminds, it has worked. Even this summer, pilots flowed during June, July, & August even though the company wasn't contractually required to during the recall of the furloughed pilots. Why on earth, would a company, so shorted staffed that they "were going to cancel vacations" continue to flow pilots that they were required to?

It is not out of the goodness of their hearts. Its a recruiting and retention tool. They know that if they slow to stop the flow, there will be a mass exodus and the new hires will stop. Just like a company could choose to not pay their employees on Friday, but how many will show up on Monday? Whatever problem they attempt to solve by not writing checks, this week will cost them far more next week.

AAG views the flow as a zero cost alternative to better pay and compensation. All the regionals will have to increase their pay and benefits as the competition for new hire regional pilot intensifies. Only the AA and Delta Wholly Owns will have direct access to their Mainline's deep pockets. If there is any chance to the flow, it will be a positive improvements, not a slow or stoppage.

Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3036496)

Just want to remind you guys that the flow is a contractual provision as highlighted above. This particular post from a while back is particularly insightful and very well written. Keep that in mind as the recovery process has started.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3036498)

Explain how it has started? In full detail. Not some abstract pie in the sky emotional “feeling”. $100 bucks you can’t.