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daOldMan 08-05-2016 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2174915)
The 40th emb175 triggers a percentage change and nothing else. Prior to the 40th the protected pilot agreement is in effect so 35% or 25. After the 40th its 50% or 25. No change in minimum. I'm all for a debate just wish you would grab some facts instead of rumors.

That is funny. You think that you have "facts".

Bahahaha

Envoy is the red headed stepchild of AAG. The hated pilot group. The pilot group that gets kicked over and over.

Have they EVER done what they said that they would? Have they even followed through on promises that didn't somehow benefit them?

How are your schedules? How are they treating your pilots on reserve? Are they following your current contract? Ha ha

I look forward to you swinging my gear 10 years from now. Just don't touch anything else.

moon 08-05-2016 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2174925)
That is funny. You think that you have "facts".

Bahahaha

Envoy is the red headed stepchild of AAG. The hated pilot group. The pilot group that gets kicked over and over.

Have they EVER done what they said that they would? Have they even followed through on promises that didn't somehow benefit them?

How are your schedules? How are they treating your pilots on reserve? Are they following your current contract? Ha ha

I look forward to you swinging my gear 10 years from now. Just don't touch anything else.

Bahahahahahahahahahah. Man I wish I were as cool as you. Just reading from the contract. Sir captain man.

Buzzlightyear 08-05-2016 02:04 PM

Second to last comm. My bad. Look for them to send 62 more this year to get over the 220 mark where we all get a pay raise if they don't get to. 220 is a far cry from their 360 initial projection. Watch what they do not what they say.

moon 08-05-2016 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2174931)
Second to last comm. My bad. Look for them to send 62 more this year to get over the 220 mark where we all get a pay raise if they don't get to. 220 is a far cry from their 360 initial projection. Watch what they do not what they say.

Yeah. They are out of excuses to withhold. This is where the test comes. I'm being cautiously optimistic though.

PilotJ3 08-05-2016 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2174842)
Why are you lying to him? Just be honest.

No, the 6 year flow is not true at all. Even AAG and Envoy management stopped quoting those numbers. Flow is at least 10 years.

How is AAG doing with the flow numbers right now? Are you flowing 30 per month, as you expected to?

And what happens with the first group is gone? The flow drops to 35% of new hire classes. Which will take you over 15 years to flow at that point.

Shouldn't Charlie Bucket be a Captain by now? And he is still on reserve as a FO. That is the truth.

Incorrect,

By the time the flow drops to "35%", the last E-175 will be here which will trigger 50% again.

Lvlng4Spd 08-05-2016 02:55 PM

Or you will have 39 175s for awhile. Numbers are a real ***** aren't they?

moon 08-05-2016 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2174955)
Or you will have 39 175s for awhile. Numbers are a real ***** aren't they?

So you think american is going to stop taking delivery of 175s just to slow the flow a bit? 35% or 25 vs 50% or 25. Sounds like a good business decision. And one I'd be willing to bet they don't make.

moon 08-05-2016 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2174955)
Or you will have 39 175s for awhile. Numbers are a real ***** aren't they?

It makes more sense for them to bring on 41 vs 39. The PBS clause of our contract then comes into effect for them. That's far more valuable than a few flows.

Lvlng4Spd 08-05-2016 03:13 PM

Good Luck!

Jersdawg 08-05-2016 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 2174955)
Or you will have 39 175s for awhile. Numbers are a real ***** aren't they?

I mean, we have 40 firm orders. If you think they are going to somehow not take delivery of one just to reduce a few lousy flow through numbers, then that's just like, your opinion, man.


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