Your motives for posting is clear and pathetic. I am surprised you didn't offer him a Piedmont Pen while you were at it. He asked about envoy's flow numbers and you come in and bring up a PDT comparison. You are wrong, though, they are not the same. But I suppose that is why you try so hard to make it seem so. Did you think that calling into question my honesty, you would somehow disguise the own deception. envoy's flow is doing just fine. As has already been pointed out, we continued to flow during the summer even though they didn't have to. While we have aircraft parked and have flights canceled due to Crew Availability. And no vacations were cancelled.

You comment to "MOON" about throwing your gear really shows what a tool you really are. Why don't you crawl back under your Dash 8 rock that you came from.

To cause contention and spread misinformation, that is what he wants. old man is not interested in facts. I have never quite understood why people like him get their joy out of eliciting the hatred of others. He must be real happy with your lot in life over at Piedmont to be spending his time here talking about envoy. I really feel bad for the poor FOs that have to fly with him.

Wow, you PDT guys are really coming out from the woodwork aren't you? Are you guys really so scared about envoy and it's flow?

Whether we see 30 flows a month for the remainder of this year is yet to be seen but even if we don't, it will still be 4 or 5 times more flow-throughs each month than are coming from PDT.

Actually, now I understand your bitterness. How are you guys enjoying our old beat up E145s?

Those are one or two guys from piedmont let's try and not bring the rest of their pilot group into this. I just want to bring in real numbers and contractual wording into the discussion instead of the skewed rumors some are bringing to the table.

Although I would like to point out that piedmont is still flowing pilots even though they are paying 300% to pilots. So I'm hoping that is a precedent that American keeps. Continue flowing during times of short staffing .

This has been brought up time and time again. If you're trying to pick an argument that's one thing, otherwise I suggest you read back in previous posts. Here's a quick and dirty for you...

AA is recalling pilots. They don't have to take any flow through's during this time, but they have been. The return of recalls is a known event and not something that's suddenly taken us by surprise. We were sending 25-30/month prior, have been sending 10ish/month during (when they weren't even required to send any), and will likely go back to 30/month once the recalls are done this fall (except December, when AA doesn't run new-hire classes). As for your numbers, assuming a 2000 pilot group, with the top 400 not flowing, 1600/72(months) = 22/month necessary for a 6 year flow. This doesn't include anybody hired to airlines other then the flow. I can't even give a projection on that number, but considering we keep hearing the phrase "keep the flow in your back pocket while you apply elsewhere" I'd say the percentage of those going elsewhere before their flow number comes up is high as well, which in turn brings that necessary 22/month down even lower.

Bitterness? I am delighted to be at PDT. We have a group of folks here that actually respect one another and we are small enough to know nearly everyone. I don't care what I fly, I chose to move to "your" aircraft (or is it AA's?) because they are phasing my preferred aircraft out. SJS? Nope. Just putting myself in the next aircraft we have been slated to fly. I'll be out in a year and a half, give or take, so this is a logical step before a 190 or Airbus.

For the record, you have 2000 pilots. You are flowing about 1.2-1.5% of your group monthly on average. PDT has about 450 pilots, and when we reach 475 pilots, we will be flowing 1.1-1.3% of the group on average. Put your dong away, it's not "4 to 5 times" bigger.

Agreed that Piedmont and Envoy have similar flow #s. maybe not size wise, but percentage wise. Envoy's is a little bigger now but will slow as the different groups move on. We have 1850 pilots now, not sure how many are active.
Anyway,
Numbers for the year
30 - Jan
29 - Feb
30 - Mar
30 - Apr

Recalls Started in May
8 - May
12 - Jun
13 - Jul

August #'s are unknown at this point, but will be the last month for Recalls, OTS hires start in September, barring a slowdown in hiring Envoy should be at the 30 per month.

I think Envoy should be pushing for the 50% of new hires vs 30, but doubt it will happen.

They are finally out of excuses to hold back the flow though! Its up to management to show good faith now. They can either flow the required numbers and gain new hires to keep the group at a steady # or they can see massive attrition as people run from Envoy and scare new hires away, leading to a shrinking airline.

That 350 # of flows was always known to be a pipe dream, because they were not taking into account the recalls.