Don't you just want a 4 day trip with this guy?

How much it annoys you is not the issue. Personal attacks are a violation of board rules.

Lol cry me a river

You're not going to last long, here. But the board has been pretty quiet lately.

Shhhh why don't you just hush your fingers, you fried, spicy meatball.

I don't understand.. Doesn't the pilot group have access to the contract and side letters to know what's going on? We're small enough at pdt that our communication is strong.

They do. But many unfortunately don't take the time to read it. The Senior pilots tend to be the worst when it comes to this stuff. There could be many explanations for this but I imagine a big contributing factor would be that many of these things don't have a significant impact on their daily life. It can be likened to a junior FO that continues to renew his CFI. Legally he is fully licensed instructor but he probably doesn't keep up with Part 61/141 changes.


A senior E175 Captain is likely someone who got burnt with the flow due to the 9/11 - TWA fiasco, who is now in this 50s and decided long ago to just stay at envoy until retirement. He likely hasn't kept up to date on the flow, new AAG management or anything else other than what line he will bid next month. His opinion on the subject is going to be heavily influenced by his experience with the flow over 15 years ago during the worst major airline hiring recession under a different management team.

Well, there's that...and the fact that our contract is a crappily organized pile of contact, LOA's, LOU's and whatever else the company has imposed and it's almost impossible to find what you're looking for. None of it cross referenced, and much written in legalese with loopholes that leave you thinking you're in the right until someone pokes a hole in your position by pointing out yet another loophole or caveat. I've wasted a lot of time trying to find things and wind up frustrated. I end up trying to find someone who knows what the rules are, or just call my rep.

Complacency is definitely an issue with our contractual knowledge levels here, but so is apathy (because fly it and grieve it) and the difficulty in locating the correct info.

Is the projected flow at 6 years a bunch of smoke? In your opinion how long before a new hire could expect to flow assuming nothing changes contractually or some major economical event.