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Originally Posted by CLT Guy (Post 2170825)

How many of the 824 are left to flow?

542 of the 824 have flowed. Source: ALPA newsblast from two weeks ago.

Some of you people are brain dead. Nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes. Could the flow be a total flop? Sure, but I'm willing to take that very small chance that it won't work as advertised rather then sell myself short and work at an LCC. If that's where you see your career going, then be my guest, I'm not going to stand in your way. Your career goals are yours and yours alone so I could care less if they're not as high as mine. But trying to stand in the way of others by making stuff up is pretty pathetic.

On another note, I'm surprised ag386 is venturing back onto APC after all of his lies were disclosed two weeks ago!!!

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Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2170818)

Dude, what about "it's contractual" do you not understand? It's written in stone in the contract. Envoy WILL flow X number of Protected Pilots, etc.

Let me ask you a question? Are you sure the sun is going to come up tomorrow? Then have faith. AAG/ENY management are trustworthy and will honor this contract to the letter.

Just relax. This is supposed to be a "safe space" for Envoy underachievers who can't get hired anywhere else.

Did you forget to sign out of your ag386 account before typing like your CR700 account?

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Originally Posted by Jack Russell (Post 2170873)

Not everyone thinks the same as you though and if they don't, it doesn't make them brain dead. Isn't Envoy losing pilots every month to LCC's ?

No dummy, what makes them brain dead is how some people insist that it will fail. What also makes them brain dead is how NOBODY is claiming it is 100% guaranteed. But tell me, what in this career is?! Are you guaranteed to have an uneventful flight every single time? Didn't think so.

Yes we certainly are losing pilots to both LCC's and legacies every month because like you said, not everyone has the same goal.

Please, no nuanced or faceted opinions allowed here!

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Originally Posted by Jack Russell (Post 2170944)

Dummy ?

Hey, I just disagreed with your statement, that's all. That doesn't make me a dummy. Why all the hostility ?

Sorry for hurting your feelings. You're a special snowflake. How is that?

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Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2170818)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha..... *whew*

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

When Parker didn't like our bankruptcy contract after the hostile takeover, he sent in Jerry Glass to force us to accept a NEW contract under threat of Comair II. "Written in stone" means nothing when you're willing to smash the tablets. When our staffing situation gets so critical they need to restrict our flow, they will force another "renegotiation" on us. They know they will be able to bully us into compliance.

As for "trustworthy," that's just more BS. The grievance about the lost pay from upgrades out of seniority order is a perfect example. Oh, and the latest gem from crew scheduling is calling because they "added a 30 hour break into your schedule" and to "please call them back to confirm" in order to junior man folks, despite a clear CONTRACTUAL requirement for them to leave any details of a flight assignment in any voicemail. Our contract continues to be nothing but toilet paper to them.

Is this the same toxic vibe flying the line?