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pitchattitude 03-02-2022 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3381718)
You are NOT getting stapled to the bottom of the AA list
You are NOT getting any kind of seniority at AA
Likely parking airplanes in the near future
No min day credit in the horizon
JMs are here to stay
Lost days are here to stay
Long sits are here to stay
The 145 will continue in service for the foreseeable future
No 2nd year AA FO pay for CAs
No mergers between any WO’s
Quicktrade is dead. Completely.
Airline will shrink.
They are working on reserve rules as far as I know.
Todd is here to stay.
In other words get your apps out.

Good summary.

To expand on two seemingly contradictory items. Planes (didn’t say specifically, but obviously 145s) will LIKELY be parked in small numbers as attrition requires. They don’t PLAN to just park the fleet and transition everyone over. They don’t have training capacity to do that and aren’t going to let people sit idle waiting for training slots. They are going to wring every bit of flying out of anyone qualified and every plane they can.

Also, for the foreseeable future Envoy said they will continue to flow 20/month. The March slow down at AA did not affect any Envoy flows.

CaseTractor 03-02-2022 01:01 PM

Thanks so much!

Chato 03-02-2022 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3381724)
Good summary.

To expand on two seemingly contradictory items. Planes (didn’t say specifically, but obviously 145s) will LIKELY be parked in small numbers as attrition requires. They don’t PLAN to just park the fleet and transition everyone over. They don’t have training capacity to do that and aren’t going to let people sit idle waiting for training slots. They are going to wring every bit of flying out of anyone qualified and every plane they can.

That would suck, going into indoc thinking you’re going to get the 175, just to get stuck in the 145. :confused:
I’d walk out and go to Spirit.

uavking 03-02-2022 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3381709)
I missed the all calls. What are the cliff notes of both meetings? Any good info or good questions asked and answered?

Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

havick206 03-02-2022 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3381730)
That would suck, going into indoc thinking you’re going to get the 175, just to get stuck in the 145. :confused:
I’d walk out and go to Spirit.

This post makes no sense, why would you goto envoy in the first place if you had a spirit offer

Chato 03-02-2022 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3381763)
This post makes no sense, why would you goto envoy in the first place if you had a spirit offer

Figuratively speaking it is now getting that easy to get a job at Spirit.

MidsizeSUV 03-02-2022 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3381774)
Figuratively speaking it is now getting that easy to get a job at Spirit.

Then why are you still here?

Chato 03-02-2022 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV (Post 3381866)
Then why are you still here?

Cause the recruiter promised me a 5.5 year flow :rolleyes:… would like to go to a Legacy.

cr700 03-03-2022 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV (Post 3381866)
Then why are you still here?

He's still here because he recognizes working for American Airlines is not just one or two steps above working for Spirit. It's more like three flights of stairs.

pitchattitude 03-03-2022 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3382036)
He's still here because he recognizes working for American Airlines is not just one or two steps above working for Spirit. It's more like three flights of stairs.

Cough, choke, gag!


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