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Old 06-03-2017, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary View Post
It might be. But I haven't seen any mention of selection in the contractual flow language. They could keep the pool at 5 pilots, or 300+, they could select with 2 weeks notice or 52 weeks, and not be in violation. If you want to more accurately estimate your flow date, just focus on who is actually in class at AA and ignore selection dates.


Understood. Is there a spreadsheet or informal posting of such information? Only source I know of is the selection page, but that only addresses half of the equation.


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Old 06-03-2017, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
This has been a question bantered around in class.

How does a pilot for Envoy list for the jumpseat on AA and is there any reason or advantage for doing so? The consensus is you can't. The only way we have to list is through travel planner as a D2, which lists you for the back as jump seat eligible.
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Old 06-03-2017, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
This has been a question bantered around in class.



How does a pilot for Envoy list for the jumpseat on AA and is there any reason or advantage for doing so? The consensus is you can't. The only way we have to list is through travel planner as a D2, which lists you for the back as jump seat eligible.


The agents can see if you are FDJ authorized. They logically (in the normal sense) will issue the the 1W (or 2W) when necessary to get you onboard in priority order.

Word of caution, sometimes they do screw up and say that it is OUR duty to determine who gets the seat. This has happened to me multiple times in various airports. Most of the excuses from agents is, "Sorry I had to get the flight out ASAP." Even though I am staring at her during boarding watching their every move. So it does happen but rarely. When it does all you can do is file a complaint with the JS committee with the completed closed non-rev list that shows you and the person who took the JS.


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Old 06-03-2017, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980 View Post
Understood. Is there a spreadsheet or informal posting of such information? Only source I know of is the selection page, but that only addresses half of the equation.


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On our MEC website there is the interactive seniority list. It isn't completely accurate but it is close.
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Old 06-03-2017, 09:45 AM
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Do you guys know if these "review board" captains that give the final go or no go on your application are AA or Envoy guys? Just curious how that works
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:24 AM
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AA or Envoy guys? Just curious how that works
...you applied for a job at envoy, so it will be envoy employees, despite what the recruiters told you!
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:31 AM
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I'll see you on Monday as well.
I start Monday also. Any class info?
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Old 06-03-2017, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
This has been a question bantered around in class.



How does a pilot for Envoy list for the jumpseat on AA and is there any reason or advantage for doing so? The consensus is you can't. The only way we have to list is through travel planner as a D2, which lists you for the back as jump seat eligible.


I believe you answered your own question!


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Old 06-03-2017, 11:31 AM
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On our MEC website there is the interactive seniority list. It isn't completely accurate but it is close.


Oh okay. I forgot about that source. Thanks man.


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Old 06-03-2017, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980 View Post
Oh okay. I forgot about that source. Thanks man.


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The interactive list does not take into account attrition. It also doesn't take into account the no classes in December thing AA has historically done, either. Or if they slow classes in the summer. So, it can give you a decent ballpark, but I would estimate that it's plus or minus three months for most PP's, and the more junior a pilot is, the greater the variance.
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