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Old 01-11-2018, 05:10 AM
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In this brave new world of forced upgrades and street captains the wheel is going to need to get reinvented. The current methodology is unsustainable. We simply can't hire or train fast enough to maintain the required supply of captains. Whether it be remote basing with dead heads on either end, a huge bump in compensation or some other idea. The company and the union need to put their heads together and get very creative.

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Positive space commute. Even if they made it one leg and has to be on AA network. A1 to work and A3 home. That would help, maybe.

But you have to hire people knowing where they are going, and then not force them to change domiciles unless the company can still provide the commute.
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:12 AM
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Who made the 1000hr 121, 135, 91K requirement? FAA, Envoy, ALPA? Can the company change the totals to maybe 500hrs with Envoy? I’d rather see an FO with 500hrs with the company than street captains, at least they know where the chief pilots office is...
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:22 AM
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January 2018 classes will be full in my opinion. It’s funny how many bypassed Dec17 NH class in an attempt to have Christmas holiday off.” These geniuses missed out on paid couple of weeks off during holiday season and new year with full Travel benefits. Also $1,000 in AAG bonuses (due to recent Tax cut profits). Also a TON OF SENIORITY!

Does seniority have any value these days? Has AAG/ENY cracked the Union?

This bid appears to be a Yuge mess! Tremendous! Like nothing we’ve ever seen before. Let’s see how it plays out. I am curious how effective all these union busting AAG sanctioned tactics being enforced by ENY will play out. Interesting times indeed. I wonder the costs, I wonder if we will see degraded and costly inefficiencies and growing pains. Will all these efforts be worth the end product, which is to deliver the “High Valued” strategic goals of ENY for AAG?

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Old 01-11-2018, 05:25 AM
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January 2018 classes will be full in my opinion. It’s funny how many bypassed Dec17 NH class in an attempt to have Christmas holiday off.” These geniuses missed out on paid couple of weeks off during holiday season and new year with full Travel benefits. Also $1,000 in AAG bonuses (due to recent Tax cut profits). Also a TON OF SENIORITY!

Does seniority have any value these days? Has AAG/ENY cracked the Union?
Dec. class still had 58, I believe.
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker View Post
January 2018 classes will be full in my opinion. It’s funny how many bypassed Dec17 NH class in an attempt to have Christmas holiday off.” These geniuses missed out on paid couple of weeks off during holiday season and new year with full Travel benefits. Also $1,000 in AAG bonuses (due to recent Tax cut profits). Also a TON OF SENIORITY!

Does seniority have any value these days? Has AAG/ENY cracked the Union?

This bid appears to be a Yuge mess! Tremendous! Like nothing we’ve ever seen before. Let’s see how it plays out. I am curious how effective all these union busting AAG sanctioned tactics being enforced by ENY will play out. Interesting times indeed. I wonder the costs, I wonder if we will see degraded and costly inefficiencies and growing pains. Will all these efforts be worth the end product, which is to deliver the “High Valued” strategic goals of ENY for AAG?
Perhaps the union should hire someone to negotiate on our behalf, instead of sending in pilots to the slaughter (I do appreciate the fact they volunteer).
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:56 AM
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Positive space commute. Even if they made it one leg and has to be on AA network. A1 to work and A3 home.

But you have to hire people knowing where they are going, and then not force them to change domiciles unless the company can still provide the commute.
This - at a minimum
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:05 AM
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Im only 79 hrs short of my 1000. Im upgrading next.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Seaplane View Post
Who made the 1000hr 121, 135, 91K requirement? FAA, Envoy, ALPA? Can the company change the totals to maybe 500hrs with Envoy? I’d rather see an FO with 500hrs with the company than street captains, at least they know where the chief pilots office is...


So with your logic...

1500 hour pilot zero jet time gets to 2000 hours. 500 of those 2000 hours are with Envoy. This same pilot has zero jet PIC, you would rather see him upgrade then a new hire who has let’s say 6000 hours 3000 JET PIC. Yes the new hire won’t know how to manipulate DECS as well, yes the new hire will not know where the “Chief Pilots Office” is unless they ask the question.

Here’s a question for you, who would you rather have in the front of the aircraft when your family is in the back and they just departed In hard IFR into an ICE storm and the crew has the Autopilot Written up?
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA View Post
In this brave new world of forced upgrades and street captains the wheel is going to need to get reinvented. The current methodology is unsustainable. We simply can't hire or train fast enough to maintain the required supply of captains. Whether it be remote basing with dead heads on either end, a huge bump in compensation or some other idea. The company and the union need to put their heads together and get very creative.

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This company is spending millions on bonuses, put it into the pay rates and retire the CRJs now. Yes, this would be a little painful financially for the company, but the fleet is eventually going away so just do it now! Now you have almost 300 hundred available pilots of which half are captains. Also you have available instructors and check airmen and free up classrooms. Better staffing, better paid = happier pilots. Can you imagine how hiring would be if we had happy pilots on these forums?
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by havick206 View Post
Perhaps the union should hire someone to negotiate on our behalf, instead of sending in pilots to the slaughter (I do appreciate the fact they volunteer).
This is true, however, I am sick of the failed negotiations. ALPA is not the only one to blame IMO. I am prepared to watch this slow speed train wreck go down. It will not happen due to ALPA’s lack of trying to negotiate gains. In my opinion, let’s just work with what we have. I think Shorter flow time and better Captain rates would motivate upgrades as well as jumpstart off the street hiring
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