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Old 03-26-2018, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
I'd be shocked if we saw 300% here at Envoy.
We don’t want 300%...

That means they are avoiding just increasing the regular pay rates. Enough is enough with Envoy and these bonus’ and other crap they can get rid of at the drop of a hat. The airline industry is making more money now than they ever have in history. Believe me, they have the money to pay us Endeavor rates or better. Along with a lot of other benifits. We need to be shooting for the stars. No concessions.
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Old 03-26-2018, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying View Post
We don’t want 300%...

That means they are avoiding just increasing the regular pay rates. Enough is enough with Envoy and these bonus’ and other crap they can get rid of at the drop of a hat. The airline industry is making more money now than they ever have in history. Believe me, they have the money to pay us Endeavor rates or better. Along with a lot of other benifits. We need to be shooting for the stars. No concessions.
They won’t pay up on hourly rates until we start parking planes. That’s allegedly possible this summer without enough captains.

Increased OT rates is a bandaid that can be ripped off any minute.
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Old 03-26-2018, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying View Post
We don’t want 300%...

That means they are avoiding just increasing the regular pay rates. Enough is enough with Envoy and these bonus’ and other crap they can get rid of at the drop of a hat. The airline industry is making more money now than they ever have in history. Believe me, they have the money to pay us Endeavor rates or better. Along with a lot of other benifits. We need to be shooting for the stars. No concessions.
I'd be shocked if they gave us pay raises.

Do you realize that Envoy is hiring more pilots than it knows what to do with? Envoy Captains are STAYING for the flow. They aren't leaving for any LCC and few are actively seeking jobs at the major five. We have a short term problem of too many FOs and not enough CAs. This issue will right itself in time and Envoy can continue to grow if it wants to.

The second biggest "mistake" (hind site being 20/20) the union did this past few years was to leave the Flex pay Loa and NH bonus structure open ended for the company to close at its discretion. Until NHs can look past year two and realize what they are giving up by coming here then CA pay rates will remain.
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker View Post
Rumors arrive on a weekly basis here on APC. So many of these “word on the street xxx xxxx xxxxx” these days.

So many people fishing & thirsty for some news. Company very tight lipped, I say we wait patiently. Wasting brain-power, anxious feelings on hearsay that changes weekly is not healthy. Until signed in black ink, until ready for press release by the union, hearsay/speculations are dud.
Agreed. It would be nice if both the company and union would communicate what is in the works for us. Even if said "change" never came to fruition, at least the employees are kept in the loop on what's going on. Because the way I take the silence right now is: management has some sly moves up their sleeve and the union is getting pounded in negotiations. Both parties unwilling to communicate is not a good sign for things to come.
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:48 AM
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Was there a new class today?
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Old 03-26-2018, 10:02 AM
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Anyone see that PSA is opening a Norfolk Base.
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Old 03-26-2018, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LivinnTheDream View Post
Anyone see that PSA is opening a Norfolk Base.


Yes and a PHL base


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Old 03-26-2018, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NDTC3 View Post
Here at Piedmont we've just recently had 300% taken away from us, and guys are VERY hesitant to pick up work at 200%. Apparently they've tried this before and it didn't work well. It's almost as if 300% is the normal-to-be-expected here now.
Exactly. The company has shown the value of that time as 300%. Its like little caesars trying to charge $10 for a pizza. Sorry you’ve proven the value of that product is $5.
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Old 03-26-2018, 11:25 AM
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Class numbers from today? Thanks.
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Old 03-26-2018, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker View Post
Rumors arrive on a weekly basis here on APC. So many of these “word on the street xxx xxxx xxxxx” these days.

So many people fishing & thirsty for some news. Company very tight lipped, I say we wait patiently. Wasting brain-power, anxious feelings on hearsay that changes weekly is not healthy. Until signed in black ink, until ready for press release by the union, hearsay/speculations are dud.
I appreciate your comments and if we were at mainline USA I would agree but we’re at a regional that’s falling behind month to month, expresses no true leadership skills and no concern about you staying or moving on and reminds us almost daily through HI6 messages that THEY want to do the minimum the contract may allow. The company is the adult in the room and sets the tone. Do what they do.... the minimum the contract allows.
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