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Old 04-28-2018 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You just wait, Embraer will be a Boeing product soon enough ;D
Hope they integrate that spinnng trim wheel! Damn wood chipper and knife sharpener in the cockpit.
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Old 04-28-2018 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Inop2
Hope they integrate that spinnng trim wheel! Damn wood chipper and knife sharpener in the cockpit.
Yup, that thing builds character for sure
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Old 04-28-2018 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Inop2
“Regional Airline” is a term WE and the union needs to stop using immediately. Do any of you fly within a region anymore? We are often doing 2 or 3 segments a day with some legs 1500 miles long. We have morphed into a national airline and need to be paid as such.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Like you, I see Envoy as a paid internship. I don't think many people would prefer to stay at Envoy their entire careers. However, denying that it's a possibility the majors won't call you is a little bit arrogant.

There's nothing to be gained by intentionally trying to make this place crappy because you have a plan to get to Boeing nirvana. Maybe the market tanks and you wind up a 20 year regional pilot, or get a spot at an LCC if you're lucky.
I completely agree with what you've said. I think the disconnect is that people are very entitled and expect a lot of a stepping stone career move. There's a balance. I don't want to be bent over (which is why I got out of the industry in 2012), but I also don't think we should be paid 150k a year and have equal work rules as the majors.

I'm a libertarian at heart... Companies can do as they wish... It's up to the employees to walk out if the work rules are unsatisfactory. We have the power
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Old 04-29-2018 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BIueSideUp
This right here is why we do get bent over. It's not a paid internship. It's a real job that a lot of people spend 10+ years working at before they're afforded a shot at the majors. Those people have families and lives. An outlook like that is a little selfish.
I quit in 2012 because the situation was so bad. I couldn't feed my kids on 20k. They started paying better and had better rules, I came back. Upgrade was 10+ years, majors were a pipe dream. I got out.

I know people have lives... I'm one of them. But it's also the companies choice to do as they wish, don't like it then head out the door. People did (like me) and now things are different.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 07:20 AM
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After 9 years at these so-called “stepping stones,” I’m done with viewing them as such. When you are moving passengers who bought tickets from American Airlines on airplanes that are owned by American Airlines, and are even the same type rating as those actually operated by pilots of American Airlines (our shiny new 175s are the same type rating as Mainline’s 190s), you should be PAID the same as pilots at American Airlines who are doing the SAME JOB. $88 and hour for new-hire FOs and $161 an hour for DECs is fair for the same work. Stop viewing yourselves as anything less than what you are truly worth. If AA is willing to pay those rates for pilots who have AA employee numbers to operate the Embraer 170/190 type while moving their passengers, then we should expect nothing less. After all, equal work means equal pay in The United States Of America.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by f16jetmech
I completely agree with what you've said. I think the disconnect is that people are very entitled and expect a lot of a stepping stone career move. There's a balance. I don't want to be bent over (which is why I got out of the industry in 2012), but I also don't think we should be paid 150k a year and have equal work rules as the majors.

I'm a libertarian at heart... Companies can do as they wish... It's up to the employees to walk out if the work rules are unsatisfactory. We have the power
Why should we get paid 1/3 of the rate (and no 16% DC) of an 190 driver Just because our 175 says eagle on the side.

UAL is hiring 1500 hr CFIs direct to mainline. If we are safe enough to fly a 175 on former 737 routes we should get paid for such duties.

If you think differently quit and go drive a school bus.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by f16jetmech
I completely agree with what you've said. I think the disconnect is that people are very entitled and expect a lot of a stepping stone career move. There's a balance. I don't want to be bent over (which is why I got out of the industry in 2012), but I also don't think we should be paid 150k a year and have equal work rules as the majors.
This is the type of guy who would pay 30K to seat in the right seat of a dash8 a few years ago.. unbelievable.. this is certainly not a paid internship when they airline is making millions in profit whether you call it Envoy or AA
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Old 04-29-2018 | 09:17 AM
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At what point is ALPA going to start some informational picketing? I’ve got no problem donating my time to start walking out front of the terminal to help bring shame to AA and MQ.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 09:59 AM
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