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04-21-2018 | 07:11 PM

#8031

wiz5422

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Originally Posted by OldBiff

So alienate the new guys? Everybody get's screwed sometimes but most of us have the good sense not to take it out on others who bear no responsibility. You should grow up and read some history about what makes unions strong. Hint: it's not ignoring over half the pilot group (55% hired since 2016) because the industry has been better overall than when you got a job. I bet you're a hoot out on the road.

I didn't say anything about alienating anyone....all I have been hearing is *****ing from the "new" guys about how the union is focusing on increasing flow and not focusing on them. Last time I checked the past year has been nothing but focused on them and nothing for the pilots that have been through the hardships etc.

Also last time I checked, this is a regional and just a stepping stone, so the faster one gets out of here the better for all. Flow should be the number one priority followed by the rest.

04-21-2018 | 08:20 PM

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OldBiff

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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder

Sorry dude, I have bills I've gotta pay.

They count on that and thus continue doing nothing on flow, pay, or anything else. Thanks for being part of the problem.

04-21-2018 | 09:03 PM

#8033

Dekal5

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Originally Posted by wiz5422

Would you like to share some of that bonus money with those senior pilots who have been screwed over at every opportunity?..... didn't think so.

Well you ass ume that since I’m new to the forum then I must be new to the company. So how many times are you going to get screwed before you change your current situation? No one is forcing to be here brah. You are sending the wrong message captain, over half of the pilot group is made up off new guys. And btw dude, i hope tomorrow you have a better day. god bless xoxo

04-21-2018 | 09:05 PM

#8034

Jamesthunder

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Originally Posted by OldBiff

They count on that and thus continue doing nothing on flow, pay, or anything else. Thanks for being part of the problem.

Blame Sallie Mae then. You're demonizing your coworkers and that's not fair.

04-21-2018 | 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBiff

This is because they know that the pilot group is impotent. Name me one thing that the entire group would do to get them thinking of making changes?
They've succeeded in instilling a temporary view in the pilots of their time with the company aka just suck it up until you can leave. Hell if guys just stopped picking up overtime it would put them in a bind (look a Spirit) but our group would never do that... too many dudes looking out for #1.

Didn't they get taken to court and slapped with a "Cease and Desist"? Do you honestly think Crew Scheduling won't simply Junior Man if we stopped picking up OT?

04-22-2018 | 02:17 AM

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FlyyGuyy

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Didn't they get taken to court and slapped with a "Cease and Desist"? Do you honestly think Crew Scheduling won't simply Junior Man if we stopped picking up OT?

And your parent company did the same thing years ago and was seriously sued.

04-22-2018 | 04:23 AM

#8037

MD-11Loader

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Originally Posted by LowValueAviator

Didn't they get taken to court and slapped with a "Cease and Desist"? Do you honestly think Crew Scheduling won't simply Junior Man if we stopped picking up OT?

Envoy would drag ALPA to court if we stopped picking up OT as it would be a violation of the status quo. Look at what happened to Spirit not too long ago. Granted their case was much more intricate, but they quickly got their pee pee’s slapped in court.

04-22-2018 | 04:24 AM

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OldBiff

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Didn't they get taken to court and slapped with a "Cease and Desist"? Do you honestly think Crew Scheduling won't simply Junior Man if we stopped picking up OT?

There was a ruling but no appeal. Any competent attorney could have had that reversed. Spirit shopped it to a friendly judge but their reasoning that not picking up optional overtime was a strike action is seriously flawed. ALPA dropped the ball on that one and let the company control the messaging. They suck at that and have for a long time.

04-22-2018 | 04:40 AM

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OldBiff

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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder

Blame Sallie Mae then. You're demonizing your coworkers and that's not fair.

Correctly assessing the lack of will within the pilot group (further backed by your response) isn’t deamonizing, racist, fake news, or anything other than an idea that seems to be supported. We get nothing from the company for the same reason I’m 20 lbs overweight: a lack of discipline. Everyone wants change but no one wants to suffer for it and that’s just not how it works.

That you chose a career with high enough initial costs to make you a wage slave for the first portion of it isn’t anyone’s fault but yours. The world needs ditch diggers too Danny.