Pntbllr233

Can someone copy the text of union email and PM me. For some reason I don’t get union emails anymore.

Ijustlikeflying

I’m not getting them either??? What’s going on with this?

3GreenKSNA

April 13, 2018

Chairman’s Update on Flow Settlement/Negotiations

Fellow Envoy Pilots –

The Negotiating Committee has been meeting with Envoy management consistently since early January attempting to find resolution to our disagreements on the protected pilot flow through, and I’d like to provide this update as we approach our MEC meeting next Monday. Communicating progress, or lack thereof, to the pilot group is imperative, as we represent your voice. As always, I urge you to share your concerns to the entire MEC team but especially to your elected representatives, who vote on potential changes to the contract and give the officers and negotiating committee direction. We rely on your input; your involvement is essential to the process.
The possibility of resolving the outstanding flow through grievances was originally introduced before the holidays, however earnest negotiations only began in January. Our interest in resolving the flow through grievances lies in securing additional career opportunities for pilots now rather than waiting for the arbitration process to unfold to a delayed and uncertain outcome. Both AA and Envoy also have an interest in eliminating the unknown outcome of arbitration.
The company agreed to negotiate a settlement for the flow through grievances, but only if other pieces of business that the company wanted were also included in a package deal. ALPA agreed to consider these items if pilot interests could be protected and/or advanced.
Over the months, the number of items being discussed morphed. The enhancements to flow through language also morphed. The package grew, then shrank. The process repeated. In February the appointed negotiators for ALPA and the Company came to an agreement that would have accelerated flow through for almost all Envoy pilots, increased pay for upgrading captains, resolved several unrelated disagreements, and provided Envoy a pathway to sustainable staffing.
However, we were told that when AA was presented with the package they indicated that they couldn’t accept it. This was (and is) troubling since AA’s team has repeatedly indicated that Envoy determines if less than the maximum prescribed amount will flow, while Envoy’s team say it is AA who controls the flow through numbers. Nevertheless, negotiators for both Envoy and ALPA quickly set about massaging a smaller package that AA would find acceptable. This smaller package was essentially agreed to by Envoy and ALPA in early March however, as of this writing many weeks later, no answer from AA has reached ALPA.
It’s the opinion of the MEC leadership that a negotiated settlement is the best course forward for all parties, however time continues to be of the essence. The basic precepts of the deal have been in place for months, yet we still find ourselves without resolution. Each month that there isn’t an agreement our pilots are harmed, and each month increases the size of the remedy necessary to settle the disagreement.
It was my sincere hope that we would enter the MEC meeting with a flow through settlement agreement done, and that we would be discussing progress on other items of interest and necessity to Envoy pilots. Instead we will commence the MEC meeting with nothing of substance from the Company with regards to flow through.
AA leadership says they want a good relationship with labor and that they must “validate the trust.” Envoy pilots are future AA mainline pilots and AA management will have a harder, more expensive time earning that trust if they continue to deploy the bait and switch, obfuscation, and dilatory tactics to which we are presently being subjected here at Envoy.
Your ALPA team will continue to advocate for you and press for a great work environment. If you’d like to comment on this process please reach out to us at [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected]. This weekend the MEC team will be travelling to Chicago and preparing for the meeting so please forgive any lack of immediate, personal response to your communications but rest assured that every email is reviewed.
As always, members in good standing are welcome to attend and you will find an invitation with time and location in yesterday’s email newsblast as well as reminders in the coming days.



I look forward to seeing you there.



In Unity,
Sam Pool


-Keep the dirty side down

MikeTang

Are you saying that because one part of the pilot group suffered, you want the rest of them to suffer too? Might want to get checked for Stockholm Syndrome. Why is it wrong for a new guy to want a QOL or contract improvement?

**I'm not throwing jabs and I'm not a new hire..I've just noticed a big disconnect between new guys and veteran guys. Should all be on the same team. A divided union will get nothing accomplished.

Jamesthunder

The add or the summary page? Because I had the summary page corrected.

uavking

Double check the email address that you have on file with ALPA via their website. If it's an AA.com email, try switching to a personal account. I had a similar issue some months ago and that was the solution.

NoValueAviator

Entitlement? I pay dues, it’s okay for me to expect the union to represent my interests in some way. Promising concessions (from me) to get a faster flow (for you) doesn’t count.

griff312

Amen...! Don't forget paying the taxes for the D2 flights you commuted on!
We were FO's, the 49% minority at the time, so while the 'then' captains took less of a hit, those of us hired between 2010 and 2014 (then FO's) got hit especially hard. Now we're CA's, and once again find ourselves the forgotten minority, as over half the pilot group has been hired in the past 2 years. We stayed and kept this place afloat during draconian times, while Jerry Glass ran half the pilot group off. Now they want to rebuild, but there's no reward for the 2010 - 2014 hires that are still here. The only thing holding those here, is patiently waiting on thier 9 year flow.
I don't think the newer guys are 'entitled' per say. They just have a whole different set of concerns than we did between 2011 and 2015.
It's definitely a different (and brighter) picture here now, then there was 5 years ago. I don't wish anyone to have to go through what we did during the BK and merger days. But I believe that those of us that survived those times and navigated this ship through those storms definitely deserve to be treated and respected honorably by the company. (I.e. honor the flow through agreement, move us past the post BK and post merger contracts and bring us QOL on par w/ the rest of the industry, stop persecuting us for Add Fuel, sick calls, ect...)

Inop2

I suspect management believes they owe you nothing as of your last paycheck. They probably also believe it’s because of their extraordinary business efforts and intellect you still have a job. Not trying to stir the pot just another perspective.

Pedro4President

Wait? What? The union secured you a flow through agreement during the last concessionary contract. They secured you a flow through before any of the pilots were on property. All of us hired after 11-10-2011 didn't have a flow at all.

Also, the grievance is specifically for the protected pilot group flow through because it is being violated now. You can't grieve something that hasn't happened yet. More flow means higher relative seniority which means better QOL.

Also, you were the one that chose to come to an airline that has a management that fixes its issues by offering NH bonuses instead of fixing the QOL issues for its current pilots. I get advocating for better QOL and better pay but do you remember the last time we got a significant pay bump at Envoy? Yep Fall of 2015 and do you know who got the majority of the money? Yep you did. You got more than 20 times more money than many of the protected pilots got. Fair?? You weren't even paying dues yet and you got this. Not trying to keep you from advocating for better pay and QOL but just trying to give you some prospective.

I'd suggest you give up your NVA tag for a bit. You haven't earned it yet.