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Your type rated already. What happens is that you go to forced upgrade and if you don’t pass your fired.

 

Not to stir the pot, but a point does need to be made regarding the bickering we’re seeing between the “old timers” and “millennials.” This of course was inevitable and I’ve seen it occasionally on a small scale ever since I’ve been here.

Although it’s true that a small number of these millennials might be getting demanding, such as wanting seniority numbers before showing up for class (with the cadet program I believe?) - the fact is that the majority of millennials are the reason for the increases in pay, QOL, and movement. This not only includes the “career changers” but also thousands of kids who chose not to be pilots because of what they heard and saw.

If the regionals can always get a steady supply of ERAU/AF/ATP Pilots while offering $20k/yr starting pay and constant threats of getting fired and how you’re disposable then guess what...they’re going to keep doing that and no union is going to help, as was demonstrated.

Don’t get me wrong, QOL at your typical white collar job isn’t all rainbows and unicorns. 8 hour days and 5 day work weeks don’t exist anymore. Being told you’re disposable and cost too much is a thing there as well. But the reason it has become that way is because people stay and are too passive. You do have to speak up, which pilots have been historically good at, but you also have to talk with your feet.

Regarding “defensive bidding” although it’s true that maybe only 20% of FOs are at 700+ hours and bid reserve every month to avoid the upgrade, there are far more FOs that are just spreading it out over a longer period of time. These are guys that simply stayed on reserve for months after they were able to hold a line once they lived in base, or who bid a month of reserve after a month or two of flying a line. There are many reasons for this, maybe they’re just taking it easy, maybe they still have one foot in their previous career, maybe it’s family, maybe they would rather be a senior FO living in base rather than a junior captain if **** hits the fan. It frankly doesn’t matter. If one thing has been made clear over the last 20, and especially the last 10 years, it’s that no employer gives two ****s about you and you have to look out for yourself.

 

If you went to the powers that be and told them that you didn’t feel safe flying as the PIC and they put you in training then fired you, your next 2 calls should be an attorney then 60 minutes. Until someone does it we just won’t know.

 

A lot of you probably should find different careers. Although dont be surprised when you get fired at a different job do for not being able to do a job your qualified to do.

 

This. Also 60 minutes doesn’t care.

 

News flash! You are Typed in the airplane. They may just question your judgement and mental fitness if you all of a sudden claim you won’t be a safe Captain

 

I litterally said nothing of that nor asked anyone to do anything. My only point was that everyone has reasons why they worked the contract the way they did. Where in the hell did you that I was “looking for pity”?

 

If I was following company policy then they couldn’t do or say ****. In addition, I have had other jobs, successful ones at that so don’t try and turn this into a character debate.

 

Let’s not forget, people chose to suffer through it. I wasn’t there making them do it.

 

Exactly.

Also no one is forcing anyone to suffer through it in the future. If someone chooses to suffer through the future, that is his own choice.

Majors are hiring, as well as low cost carriers. All 4 current domiciles have at least one or two LCCs based in the respective regions (FLL is near MIA). All are hiring, I believe.

Everyone should do what is best for him and his family.