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05-23-2018, 07:49 PM
#8511
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Originally Posted by ENH017
It's supposed to be 1 year but due to the wording of the contract it doesn't always mean you get it exactly 12 months out. They have 4 "windows" where you qualify for a bonus in, 2500 each (10k total per year). The catch is that you have to be out of probation for the entirety of that window. So seeing as the next window starts on June 1st, assuming your class was any time after that you won't qualify since you were on probation during the period.
Not to worry though, you will receive all 8 payments (2 years' worth) regardless of when you start receiving payments. The last "window" that you qualify for will be after the start of your 3rd year (assuming you haven't upgraded by then.)
If I'm wrong someone please correct me on this, it took like 6 NewsBlasts before I actually sat down and tried to reason it out.
Not to worry though, you will receive all 8 payments (2 years' worth) regardless of when you start receiving payments. The last "window" that you qualify for will be after the start of your 3rd year (assuming you haven't upgraded by then.)
If I'm wrong someone please correct me on this, it took like 6 NewsBlasts before I actually sat down and tried to reason it out.
Thanks for the response ; had my proby ride back in the beginning of may so maybe i might qualify for it, who knows... Thanks for the info!
05-23-2018, 08:01 PM
#8512
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by ENH017
It's supposed to be 1 year but due to the wording of the contract it doesn't always mean you get it exactly 12 months out. They have 4 "windows" where you qualify for a bonus in, 2500 each (10k total per year). The catch is that you have to be out of probation for the entirety of that window. So seeing as the next window starts on June 1st, assuming your class was any time after that you won't qualify since you were on probation during the period.
Not to worry though, you will receive all 8 payments (2 years' worth) regardless of when you start receiving payments. The last "window" that you qualify for will be after the end of your 3rd year (assuming you haven't upgraded by then.)
If I'm wrong someone please correct me on this, it took like 6 NewsBlasts before I actually sat down and tried to reason it out.
Not to worry though, you will receive all 8 payments (2 years' worth) regardless of when you start receiving payments. The last "window" that you qualify for will be after the end of your 3rd year (assuming you haven't upgraded by then.)
If I'm wrong someone please correct me on this, it took like 6 NewsBlasts before I actually sat down and tried to reason it out.
BTW, I never came here with the intent of staying an FO long enough to get all that so I don't see this issue as pertaining to me but damn, I do see it as a one hell of a bait and switch. The fact the wording makes it such that you don't even start receiving it until months after your first year, making you have even less of an opportunity to collect on the payments, just makes it worse (and that part does affect me).
Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler
Thanks for the response ; had my proby ride back in the beginning of may so maybe i might qualify for it, who knows... Thanks for the info!
05-23-2018, 09:36 PM
#8513
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 224
Originally Posted by highfarfast
The bolded part is the biggest issue I have with the forced upgrades. Hired under the pretense of $20K in retention bonuses over two years but no way in hell of actually collecting that. :-\
BTW, I never came here with the intent of staying an FO long enough to get all that so I don't see this issue as pertaining to me but damn, I do see it as a one hell of a bait and switch. The fact the wording makes it such that you don't even start receiving it until months after your first year, making you have even less of an opportunity to collect on the payments, just makes it worse (and that part does affect me).
BTW, I never came here with the intent of staying an FO long enough to get all that so I don't see this issue as pertaining to me but damn, I do see it as a one hell of a bait and switch. The fact the wording makes it such that you don't even start receiving it until months after your first year, making you have even less of an opportunity to collect on the payments, just makes it worse (and that part does affect me).
I had similar gripes about the forced upgrade in regard to the bonuses but the latest change to start captain pay once you're awarded the seat does a pretty good job of relieving that. Still sh*tty for the 800+ guys who don't get to control their upgrade but the pill's easier to swallow now.
05-23-2018, 09:57 PM
#8514
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,285
Originally Posted by EmbaeDriver
According to my friend, the way he flew. Corporate pilot. Always high crossing hard altitudes (1,500 to 2000ft always), way fast for landing. My friend tried nicely to help him and he was like “I got this”.
Most 'captain qualified' corporate jet pilots are better stick's than the RJ drivers. They have flown higher performance jet aircraft with substantially less help from the right seat and the company.
might not hold true with the turboprop cowboys.
05-24-2018, 03:12 AM
#8515
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
Originally Posted by Varsity
"according to a friend" = 99% made up.
Most 'captain qualified' corporate jet pilots are better stick's than the RJ drivers. They have flown higher performance jet aircraft with substantially less help from the right seat and the company.
might not hold true with the turboprop cowboys.
Most 'captain qualified' corporate jet pilots are better stick's than the RJ drivers. They have flown higher performance jet aircraft with substantially less help from the right seat and the company.
might not hold true with the turboprop cowboys.
The ex gama jet, wheels up type ca’s have been surprisingly good along with majority of ex expressjet ca’s
05-24-2018, 05:08 AM
#8516
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 208
Originally Posted by Varsity
"according to a friend" = 99% made up.
Most 'captain qualified' corporate jet pilots are better stick's than the RJ drivers. They have flown higher performance jet aircraft with substantially less help from the right seat and the company.
might not hold true with the turboprop cowboys.
Most 'captain qualified' corporate jet pilots are better stick's than the RJ drivers. They have flown higher performance jet aircraft with substantially less help from the right seat and the company.
might not hold true with the turboprop cowboys.
05-24-2018, 05:10 AM
#8517
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 178
Originally Posted by havick206
He’s probably more referring to the corporate jet guys that only ever flew left seat but logged PIC time under part 91 and never flew left seat.
The ex gama jet, wheels up type ca’s have been surprisingly good along with majority of ex expressjet ca’s
The ex gama jet, wheels up type ca’s have been surprisingly good along with majority of ex expressjet ca’s
05-24-2018, 05:20 AM
#8518
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
Originally Posted by 402FreightDog
Part 91, unless 91K, which is basically 135, time doesn’t count towards the 1000 so this argument doesn’t hold up.
05-24-2018, 07:20 AM
#8519
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 178
Originally Posted by havick206
Well if I were the company I would be re-auditing some of the logbooks.
05-24-2018, 07:45 AM
#8520
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 208
First of all, I know the program is basically sensitive information, I’m not looking for anything else just the answer of my question.
FFDO training, they pay you hotel during training or it’s on your own?
Found this here but it’s outdated I’m sure. Thanks.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/32900-ffdo-3.html
FFDO training, they pay you hotel during training or it’s on your own?
Found this here but it’s outdated I’m sure. Thanks.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/32900-ffdo-3.html
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