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09-04-2018 | 03:25 AM

#9511

Skip0927

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This sounds so appealing. By 2020 we will be flying E190-E2’s for C206 wages. I can’t wait. We all need to get involved with Union Volunteer opportunities and accumulate as much knowledge as possible so we can defend our workplace.

09-04-2018 | 03:34 AM

#9512

Smutter

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Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA

Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling with the newest version?

-Keep the dirty side down

Yes, no luck on this one

09-04-2018 | 03:53 AM

#9513

Ijustlikeflying

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Yes, no luck on this one

Shoulda bought Apple.

09-04-2018 | 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader

I think that when the protected pilots all flow next year that we’ll see management become a lot more aggressive. They’ll try to screw with flow and PBS will be talked about again.

I may be wrong, but the way the contract reads, to me, the company had 120 days to implement PBS after the 41st 175. That came and went a long time ago. They want PBS they would need to offer a lot of perks to offset the downsides to PBS.

09-04-2018 | 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip0927

Lol... Talk about doom and gloom. You guys are like a woman on her period. So emotionally unstable, irrational, and unreasonable.

09-04-2018 | 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Smutter

I don't want to downgrade. Maybe when I am 60 and just like vanilla!

Yet here we are.

09-04-2018 | 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader

I think that when the protected pilots all flow next year that we’ll see management become a lot more aggressive. They’ll try to screw with flow and PBS will be talked about again.

The worst part is, some of the HVAs I've flown with actually want PBS.

09-04-2018 | 11:34 AM

#9518

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Originally Posted by jonrayburn

The worst part is, some of the HVAs I've flown with actually want PBS.

One size does not fit all when it comes to PBS. You may see only cons based on your experience, but others have seen and experienced the better side in a contract, not just word of mouth expectations.

To each their own thoughts. Unbiased education is key.

09-04-2018 | 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentLurker

I agree with, "one size does not fit all." For example, letter 18-01 arguably was beneficial to the Protected Pilots. However, was not as beneficial to FOs bidding reserve to avoid upgrading.

I personally believe unbiased education is a myth. There will always be a bias. Whats important is the pilot group retaining as much leverage as we can. Leverage = Bargaining power.

IMO

09-05-2018 | 02:57 AM

#9520

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Originally Posted by jonrayburn

Whats important is the pilot group retaining as much leverage as we can. Leverage = Bargaining power.

IMO

Right on. With the company nailing people to every written letter of the contract, bullying sick pilots, etc. it seems to me that it would not only be fair to retain as much leverage as possible, but to create it by doing things that harmlessly annoy the company -- such as bidding reserve to avoid upgrade. Obviously they were doing this to avoid the 145, but it worked out in a big way for NY based pilots when the company perceived it as trying to avoid NY.