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07-07-2018 | 10:20 AM
#8991
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Need answer to a question asked by someone. I can’t find the answer. Question is about Captain Rate of Pay upon bid award & First Officer Option!??? What is this “First Officer Option”????
Reference: our recent LOA titled STANDING VACANCY FOR UPGRADE.... its on page 4 of that document.
The section is titled CAPTAIN RATE OF PAY UPON BID AWARD: “If any such awarded pilot elects to invoke the First Office Option Pursuant to 15.J of the Basic Agreement, then his pay will revert to First Officer pay on the date such option is elected.”
I looked at our contract section 15.J that was referenced and it says this:
Section 15: J. TRAINING FREEZE 1. A pilot who voluntarily bids for and is awarded a permanent vacancy that requires upgraded training or training on a different equipment type will be subject to a fourteen (14) month training freeze, except that: a. All turbojet Captains will be subject to a training freeze of twenty-four (24) months.
Nothing in Section 15.J referenced above talks about a “First Officer Option”... What is this First Officer Option, that is confusing to me.
Are they saying not to Preference Bid ( 3P), to only have a Displacement Preference (3D), if you want “ CA Pay Upon Bid Award” ???
Reference: our recent LOA titled STANDING VACANCY FOR UPGRADE.... its on page 4 of that document.
The section is titled CAPTAIN RATE OF PAY UPON BID AWARD: “If any such awarded pilot elects to invoke the First Office Option Pursuant to 15.J of the Basic Agreement, then his pay will revert to First Officer pay on the date such option is elected.”
I looked at our contract section 15.J that was referenced and it says this:
Section 15: J. TRAINING FREEZE 1. A pilot who voluntarily bids for and is awarded a permanent vacancy that requires upgraded training or training on a different equipment type will be subject to a fourteen (14) month training freeze, except that: a. All turbojet Captains will be subject to a training freeze of twenty-four (24) months.
Nothing in Section 15.J referenced above talks about a “First Officer Option”... What is this First Officer Option, that is confusing to me.
Are they saying not to Preference Bid ( 3P), to only have a Displacement Preference (3D), if you want “ CA Pay Upon Bid Award” ???
Last edited by SilentLurker; 07-07-2018 at 10:37 AM.
07-07-2018 | 10:35 AM
#8992
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Need answer to a question asked by someone. I can’t find the answer. Question is about Captain Rate of Pay upon bid award & First Officer Option!??? What is this “First Officer Option”????
Reference: our recent LOA titled STANDING VACANCY FOR UPGRADE.... its on page 4 of that document.
The section is titled CAPTAIN RATE OF PAY UPON BID AWARD: “If any such awarded pilot elects to invoke the First Office Option Pursuant to 15.J of the Basic Agreement, then his pay will revert to First Officer pay on the date such option is elected.”
I looked at our contract section 15.J that was referenced and it says this:
Section 15: J. TRAINING FREEZE 1. A pilot who voluntarily bids for and is awarded a permanent vacancy that requires upgraded training or training on a different equipment type will be subject to a fourteen (14) month training freeze, except that: a. All turbojet Captains will be subject to a training freeze of twenty-four (24) months. b. All new hire pilots will be subject to a training freeze of twelve (12) months.
Nothing in Section 15.J referenced above talks about a “First Officer Option”... What is this First Officer Option, that is confusing to me.
Are they saying not to Preference Bid, to only have a Displacement Preference in, if you want “ CA Pay Upon Bid Award” ???
Reference: our recent LOA titled STANDING VACANCY FOR UPGRADE.... its on page 4 of that document.
The section is titled CAPTAIN RATE OF PAY UPON BID AWARD: “If any such awarded pilot elects to invoke the First Office Option Pursuant to 15.J of the Basic Agreement, then his pay will revert to First Officer pay on the date such option is elected.”
I looked at our contract section 15.J that was referenced and it says this:
Section 15: J. TRAINING FREEZE 1. A pilot who voluntarily bids for and is awarded a permanent vacancy that requires upgraded training or training on a different equipment type will be subject to a fourteen (14) month training freeze, except that: a. All turbojet Captains will be subject to a training freeze of twenty-four (24) months. b. All new hire pilots will be subject to a training freeze of twelve (12) months.
Nothing in Section 15.J referenced above talks about a “First Officer Option”... What is this First Officer Option, that is confusing to me.
Are they saying not to Preference Bid, to only have a Displacement Preference in, if you want “ CA Pay Upon Bid Award” ???
07-07-2018 | 10:42 AM
#8993
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This is incorrect. Any captain award, be it preference bid, proffer to displace or a displacement is subject to captain pay upon bid award.
07-07-2018 | 10:57 AM
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Clear language like you posted above in the LOA would be nice. LOA is not stated as such. I’m not saying I disagree with you.
But... one thing is for sure, in the LOA there is a silver lining “language” that can “revert” someone back to FO Pay after getting that CA pay upon bid award. Now to figure out what that “First Officer Option” and its referenced section 15.J of the basic agreement is...
Thanks,
Edit: P.s. I’m positive others out there might be wondering what this “First Officer Option” being referenced in the LOA means, that is why I’m asking in a public forum.
Last edited by SilentLurker; 07-07-2018 at 11:24 AM.
07-07-2018 | 11:22 AM
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Clear language like you posted above in the LOA would be nice. LOA is not stated as such. I’m not saying I disagree with you.
But... one thing is for sure, in the LOA there is a silver lining “language” that can “revert” someone back to FO Pay after getting that CA pay upon bid award. Now to figure out what that “First Officer Option” and its referenced section 15.J of the basic agreement is...
Thanks,
P.s. I’m positive others out there might be wondering what it means as well, that is why I am asking on a public forum regarding this “First Officer Option” meaning in our LOA.
But... one thing is for sure, in the LOA there is a silver lining “language” that can “revert” someone back to FO Pay after getting that CA pay upon bid award. Now to figure out what that “First Officer Option” and its referenced section 15.J of the basic agreement is...
Thanks,
P.s. I’m positive others out there might be wondering what it means as well, that is why I am asking on a public forum regarding this “First Officer Option” meaning in our LOA.
07-07-2018 | 01:19 PM
#8997
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I was under the impression is was at 800 hours they can start forcing flying on you.
07-07-2018 | 01:38 PM
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07-07-2018 | 01:55 PM
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