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Purpleanga 04-22-2017 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 2349024)
Thread refresh....can anyone explain why the 145 is "better" ? Assume the applicant lives in Dallas and does not wish to move or commute. Applicant will be age 50 at time of hire.

why would one pay more than another, for a 1st year new hire ? Which one would be quicker to Captain ?

Thank you

There's more 145s than 175. That means better movement, better variety of schedules, better options, quicker upgrades. The 175 gravy train has stopped. I think the guys getting on now will be on reserve or at the bottom for a while. But I don't think you have any more options now anyways, they're hiring mostly into the 145 in LGA. There's the CRJ but that's in Ord and you're basically just keeping the seat warm until they get rid of the plane shortly.

Whiskey4 04-22-2017 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 2349024)
Thread refresh....can anyone explain why the 145 is "better" ? Assume the applicant lives in Dallas and does not wish to move or commute. Applicant will be age 50 at time of hire.

why would one pay more than another, for a 1st year new hire ? Which one would be quicker to Captain ?

Thank you

The pay scale is the same for FOs regardless of equipment. The company incentivized the 145 and CRJ with an additional $5k bonus due to the SJS happening with the 175...sort of like a consolation prize. Neither is technically "quicker" to captain since you can upgrade into an aircraft you are not currently flying. Impossible to predict what will be junior in 2.5-3 years. Predicting things in the airlines involves too many variables beyond one's control.

Another thing to consider is how well you learn new things. The 175 has a few more "bells and whistles" to manage...more depth to the FMS, autothrust, VNAV, etc. These things sound nice to have, but a pilot must learn to effectively manage them. Pilots have failed transition or new hire training in the 175 due to an inability to grasp the operation of the aircraft or programming of its functions within the allotted training time. Know thyself...and don't take on more than you can chew. The 145 is a bit more forgiving. Factor in your flight experience to this point to help with the decision-making.

One important pro about the 175 is having actual coffee pots.

wiz5422 04-23-2017 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 2349024)
Thread refresh....can anyone explain why the 145 is "better" ? Assume the applicant lives in Dallas and does not wish to move or commute. Applicant will be age 50 at time of hire.

why would one pay more than another, for a 1st year new hire ? Which one would be quicker to Captain ?

Thank you

1. More pay (bonus money only) for the 175 because so many have SJS (shiny jet Syndrome)

2. Both, captain upgrade is base on seniority only. When you can hold the upgrade no matter the jet you will be awarded it. Junior plane right now is the CrJ, then 145, then 175..

More movement right now on the 145.

TheRaven 04-24-2017 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2299066)
E175 Driver is the typical Riddle guy that everyone hates flying with.

At least he removed the "Proud former member of the ERAU flight team" from his signature.....I'm embarrassed for my Alma Mater getting a bad name because of guys like him.

Purpleanga 04-24-2017 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by TheRaven (Post 2349873)
At least he removed the "Proud former member of the ERAU flight team" from his signature.....I'm embarrassed for my Alma Mater getting a bad name because of guys like him.

He's not a Riddle guy, he's just trolling. I can't believe people are taking him seriously.

E175 Driver 04-24-2017 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2349884)
He's not a Riddle guy, he's just trolling. I can't believe people are taking him seriously.

Sure Nancy.:rolleyes:

Purpleanga 04-24-2017 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2349983)
Sure Nancy.:rolleyes:

That's the best you can do? I know you can troll harder.

DollaBillz 04-24-2017 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Whiskey4 (Post 2349066)
The pay scale is the same for FOs regardless of equipment. The company incentivized the 145 and CRJ with an additional $5k bonus due to the SJS happening with the 175...sort of like a consolation prize. Neither is technically "quicker" to captain since you can upgrade into an aircraft you are not currently flying. Impossible to predict what will be junior in 2.5-3 years. Predicting things in the airlines involves too many variables beyond one's control.

Another thing to consider is how well you learn new things. The 175 has a few more "bells and whistles" to manage...more depth to the FMS, autothrust, VNAV, etc. These things sound nice to have, but a pilot must learn to effectively manage them. Pilots have failed transition or new hire training in the 175 due to an inability to grasp the operation of the aircraft or programming of its functions within the allotted training time. Know thyself...and don't take on more than you can chew. The 145 is a bit more forgiving. Factor in your flight experience to this point to help with the decision-making.

One important pro about the 175 is having actual coffee pots.

That's definitely something to consider. I went straight from flight instructing in cessnas/a seminole to training in a 175 and to say it was a bit of jump would be a vast understatement. I made it through but it was a bit rough, especially in the beginning when you're trying to learn all the approach modes and all the autopilot functions. I think the 145 might have been an easier training program given my background.

The biggest thing to remember in training is these three words: Cooperate And Graduate. Don't be a hero and attempt to learn everything about the airplane because that's impossible to do in such a short timeframe. Just do what they tell you, pass the ride, and you can learn all you want and play with the FMS out on the line on a 4 hour trip to YYC.

stbloc 04-25-2017 08:19 PM

I was always under the impression that the 175 is easier to learn and has less memory item. besides the approach modes how is it more difficult?

MD-11Loader 04-26-2017 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 2350918)
I was always under the impression that the 175 is easier to learn and has less memory item. besides the approach modes how is it more difficult?

There are four memory items on the 145, and much less automation and sophistication than the 175. I went from flight instructing to the 145 and found it to be a fun plane to learn.


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