Search

Notices
ExpressJet Regional Airline

Is ExpressJet that bad?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-15-2018 | 05:20 AM
  #141  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by amcnd
The given reason why they bought L-XJT was to diminish the competition. (Couldn’t have a bankrupt airline undercuting contracts)... Any businessman would know the sell would have some sort of kick back, maybe a 10 year extension on the OO contracts, or 40 more aircraft, Ect..... Im still not sure a sell will happen atleast not tell 2019 or later.. I feel what is happening to XJT is more of a “reset”. Back to the basic 1 aircraft type, centralized operation. Stabilize for a few years. Then evaluate growth... .
Any businessman would also know that early termination clauses are in most contracts.
Reply
Old 05-16-2018 | 07:32 AM
  #142  
texaspropguy's Avatar
Got a weekend off once...
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
From: On "Some Beach"
Default

Originally Posted by AboveMins
Here's a carrot... Wait for the stick.
I feel like I get beat with the stick while OO eats my carrot.
Reply
Old 05-16-2018 | 07:42 AM
  #143  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,875
Likes: 0
From: Downward Dog
Default

Originally Posted by Blackhawk
SkyWest does not own the UAL flying. They service a contract for UAL. If SkyWest were to overplay their hand they could find UAL acquiring a different regional and taking away the Inc flying to boot leaving them with zip. Selling could put them in a position with servicing UAL flying for several years.
I think the majors have made it clear they want most of the regional flying in-house with just a few major players such as Inc picking up slack. I think there will be some major shakeups over the next few months. Some pilots chasing the upgrades may find they reached for the wrong brass ring.
You know this already (almost) happened. Inc told United that Expressjet would keep flying for United if United paid up and Expressjet was profitable. United bought C5 to do as you said but found the environment harder than expected and for reliability reasons came back to the table with inc and Expressjet.
Until then inc was expecting all the 145s to be gone and Expressjet be a 700/900 airline for Delta and American.
This is all changing very fast.
Reply
Old 05-16-2018 | 12:36 PM
  #144  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 559
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by WesternSkies
You know this already (almost) happened. Inc told United that Expressjet would keep flying for United if United paid up and Expressjet was profitable. United bought C5 to do as you said but found the environment harder than expected and for reliability reasons came back to the table with inc and Expressjet.
Until then inc was expecting all the 145s to be gone and Expressjet be a 700/900 airline for Delta and American.
This is all changing very fast.
C5 just didn’t have the scale and experience to succeed in such a rapid ramp up. Hence why XJT is a great fit for what UA needs.
Reply
Old 05-16-2018 | 06:46 PM
  #145  
texaspropguy's Avatar
Got a weekend off once...
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
From: On "Some Beach"
Default

Originally Posted by da42pilot
C5 just didn’t have the scale and experience to succeed in such a rapid ramp up. Hence why XJT is a great fit for what UA needs.
....about 5 yrs ago. Not any more. United **** in their own bed by trying to manipulate their regional feed to squelch the upsurge in spinal character towards fighting for quality changes in RJ QOL and pay. Eagle voted no to concessions with us I th vote heard around the ALPA world. Now not only does XJT pay for that, but United is paying for trying to alter-ego us out of the market. The only winner so far has been OO, Spirit, Alligiant (2 airlines hiring 0-TPIC to narrowbody aircraft), and the other regionals our FO’s are going to after a year or so to do street captain. All of this weakening United as a result.

Last edited by texaspropguy; 05-16-2018 at 06:59 PM.
Reply
Old 05-16-2018 | 08:14 PM
  #146  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by texaspropguy
....about 5 yrs ago. Not any more. United **** in their own bed by trying to manipulate their regional feed to squelch the upsurge in spinal character towards fighting for quality changes in RJ QOL and pay. Eagle voted no to concessions with us I th vote heard around the ALPA world. Now not only does XJT pay for that, but United is paying for trying to alter-ego us out of the market. The only winner so far has been OO, Spirit, Alligiant (2 airlines hiring 0-TPIC to narrowbody aircraft), and the other regionals our FO’s are going to after a year or so to do street captain. All of this weakening United as a result.
Possibly.... Both C5 and YV are struggling to staff IAD. XJT has many resources on the CRJ side. I would agree that XJT has an opening in IAD. I am not exactly sure why it needs to be CRJ’s unless United has those jets becoming available from another base. If SGU’s past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, I would expect OO to open a CRJ base at IAD for United before XJT though. OO is already lining up flying into IAD on the CRJ200 for EAS.

I am on the side of believing that XJT is being set up to be sold to United once the American business is wound down. Providing severance packages points to XJT as a going concern, which only makes sense if XJT is either going to remain in business or is going to be sold.
Reply
Old 05-17-2018 | 09:42 AM
  #147  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 559
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by calmwinds
Possibly.... Both C5 and YV are struggling to staff IAD. XJT has many resources on the CRJ side. I would agree that XJT has an opening in IAD. I am not exactly sure why it needs to be CRJ’s unless United has those jets becoming available from another base.
UA is shifting UAX out of EWR to IAD. There’s all the 145s they need, but they probably want some bigger RJs there as well.
Reply
Old 05-17-2018 | 10:03 AM
  #148  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by da42pilot
UA is shifting UAX out of EWR to IAD. There’s all the 145s they need, but they probably want some bigger RJs there as well.
And, Republic or SkyWest can’t staff United’s bigger RJ of choice, the E175 out of IAD? Good rumor though.
Reply
Old 05-17-2018 | 10:09 AM
  #149  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 559
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by calmwinds
And, Republic or SkyWest can’t staff United’s bigger RJ of choice, the E175 out of IAD? Good rumor though.
Not a rumor...

http://newsroom.united.com/2018-05-14-United-Airlines-Expands-East-Coast-Schedule-Maximizing-New-York-and-Washington-D-C-Hubs

I’m guessing Republic will stay in EWR. I haven’t heard anything about Skywest at IAD other than your post. Not discounting it, but if they want to buy XJT, they will need to give us a home.
Reply
Old 05-17-2018 | 10:35 AM
  #150  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by da42pilot
Not a rumor...

http://newsroom.united.com/2018-05-14-United-Airlines-Expands-East-Coast-Schedule-Maximizing-New-York-and-Washington-D-C-Hubs

I’m guessing Republic will stay in EWR. I haven’t heard anything about Skywest at IAD other than your post. Not discounting it, but if they want to buy XJT, they will need to give us a home.
I assume United will wait to buy XJT until after the American CRJ side is wound down. When United buys XJT, they will spin its pilots up on the 175 - not the 900. United will want a clean company without a lot of unresolved liabilities. Hence, the severance packages.

In the announcement you posted, United announces increased 175 flying out of Newark (Republic) and EAS 200 flying out of Dulles (SkyWest). I don’t see any large RJ adds to Dulles. Where do you see that in this article?
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
wrxsteve
Pilot Health
3
06-29-2017 07:15 PM
JohnLocke
Regional
13
01-29-2014 05:19 AM
beechking
Republic Airways
170
06-08-2013 06:07 AM
Boneman
ExpressJet
16
12-10-2009 09:04 PM
skypine27
Cargo
2
08-07-2007 03:04 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices