PhantomHawk

That’s actually the reason why their side SHOULD get to vote,but I’m totally ok with things as they are. Now is not the time to shut down progress over things like PBS and such. For now, there are still two contracts, and they can vote on the one they currently work under.....assuming they have negotiated something?

Hou757

So the new CRJ 200 flying in ORD. Will those work under the ERJ or CRJ side contract? I'm assuming they will fall under the ERJ since it is United flying?

PhantomHawk

ERJ, but the TA will be decided long before the first flight is operated.

Hou757

Copy that....

Blackhawk

At this point, I'm less concerned about being able to vote than what's in the TA.
Oh, and what's up with ILIW and SLIW??? So we take seniority and flush it down the toilet???

Puck Hawg

It doesn’t really circumvent seniority. You bid hard lines, your seniority holds whatever it gets.

The ILIW is a 24 hr period that opens up and is a mad dash to trade trips with whatever got dropped into open time via vacation drops/training/etc If there’s “coverage”, which there is for maybe 45 seconds, you can trade down a 4 day or two for a day trip, and then rebuild your line as you need. The floor is 60 hrs, so you can’t go below it. There’s a science to it. People have multiple windows opened and sync their computers with the company software so at 7:59:58 they know they can hit submit and be right on the 8:00:00 dot to get a trade in (that’s ORD at least). It’s legit over in 1-2 minutes.

The SLIW is whatever garbage 8 hr 4 days are left that aren’t even built into relief lines. At this point in the month, there’s zero shot of dropping anything.

calmwinds

What date is the seniority list finally merged, and the ASA guys moved over to the new contract? When are new hires given the option of the CRJ?

Blackhawk

A mad dash is a violation of seniority. If a senior pilot is not available to bid during this "mad dash" period they don't get the trips they want. Seniority-based bid systems, something ALPA fought long and hard to get, are not supposed to be capricious.

Blackhawk

Different dates. The seniority lists were merged last summer, but the two groups continued to work under separate contracts until the current CRJ contracts with AAL and DAL wound down. All future FFD contracts will be under the LXJT pilot contract.
A handful of CRJ pilots were permitted to bid over to the ERJ before management realized the CRJ pilots were stampeding out the door to other airlines and they were in danger of not fulfilling the contracts with AAL and DAL.
The first CRJ's go over to LXJT in October our of ORD.
I imagine with the implosion of the CRJ pilot group new hires will be offered that soon. I'm going to guess we will lose about 150 pilots in September. Possibly more.

Jefferson

From the LASA side... The general feel I get from our group is "Let do this"....
I think everyone gets that there wasn't time to go through what we went through last time, and that while we would have liked to have been included.... so be it.. move on and lets get this done...
We're rooting for you out here...