You might be out of the loop. The most junior guy from the LASA side that is currently holding CA on either the CRJ or ERJ is about 14-15 years now. The latest system bid 18-11 awarded 60 of the most senior pay protected LASA FOs a CA seat on the CRJ in ORD. I think the most junior guy awarded CA on 18-11 was right at 10.5 years (Very close to that). No upgrade classes have been scheduled for any of the guys that were awarded and the earliest for anyone will be on line is summer 2019. The company states this is because they are short on FOs and there's a delay in aircraft deliveries.

Since the LASA and LXJT pilots are all on one list now, the most junior LASA FO that was awarded CA is at 10.5 years, not 7.5.

You can kind of read between the lines in all that. Until this is resolved, it's really not fair to say upgrade times will drop significantly. I get that you are "optimistic" about things. For the sake of making a career as a pilot less disappointing to many, I try to tell them the facts and let them make their own decisions. XJT cannot prevail on sugar coated dreams. Management needs to wake up and actually do something. They have burned both groups in many ways along the years and it shows.

 

You’re confidently incorrect. Junior awarded CRJ CA is at a little less than 8 years and not this 10.5 number you’re going with.

 

Junior CRJ CA award on 18-11 went to 3/2011 hire. This information is available to us so I dont know where you're getting these random numbers.

 

I actually know a guy 2 numbers off from the junior pilot awarded. Gauged the DOH from knowing his. I’m not as savvy as most with knowing where the seniority list is secretly kept. This must have been that little hump where no one was hired for a while then a bunch came on. My bad on that info.

I guess when you know several people from 2006 that are still not sitting in the left seat, it’s a little hard to imagine there only being 40 people on the list between 2011 and 2006.

 

There are several 5/2011 ERJ CA’s that upgraded over a year ago. The information you seek isn’t hidden nor secret. It’s available on the company website.

 

In looking at the seniority list now, I see that the most junior CA was indeed one of the first LASA guys hired after that long gap. My friend was hired in 2007 and there’s no one from LASA on the list between 07 an 2011. You can definitely see this was a strategy by the company to artificially show upgrade time going down. Let see how it all works out.

 

You’re still putting out bad information. How was this a strategy to artificially show upgrade time going down to 3/2011, when the junior upgrade was already and continues to be 9/2011?

There’s far more to it. Give these guys the CA seat, so when we backfill ERJ145 vacancies after more movement to the 175, the overall upgrade time goes down. Maybe that’s what you’re saying, but I don’t know.

However, if you want to be this growth-skeptic arbiter of the cold hard facts, I suggest that you get a lot more acquainted with this not-so-hidden seniority list that you only became aware of a few minutes ago.

 

Yeah, never mind man. If you are a line pilot at Expressjet Airlines, regardless of where you came from or aircraft you are on, I'M ON YOUR SIDE. You seem to be conveniently missing key details. Either because you are assuming that I'm an idiot, or you are management posting on these forums.

 

I’m neither management nor assuming you’re an idiot. I just want people to get the correct information. If you take a deeper look at the seniority list gaps, you’ll see that significant upgrade time reductions are likely to happen this year. It’ll be good for all of us.

 

He missed a lot while he was over at Spirit. But I guess it wasn’t THAT bad at XJT......