Originally Posted by PhantomHawk

It would seem that there has been a tsunami of super senior guys who never flew in the ERJ system, yet have taken all the best stuff for themselves, and subsequently complain about it.

Originally Posted by Buford Justice

your in class at UAL and you spend time here stewing over what the ASA MEC wanted to do 10 years ago? Ok. Got it.

btw who cares what Newy wanted. There is an ALPA merger policy, which was ultimately followed.

Originally Posted by Buford Justice

btw who cares what Newy wanted. There is an ALPA merger policy, which was ultimately followed.

Originally Posted by John Carr

I believe that's not entirely true.

As in, there was an exception made of doing an SLI first, THEN an CBA.

Whereas the policy is the opposite order.

Originally Posted by DBono

That was me and I replied thinking I was countering a statement by someone who said all classes were full. But I think the 9/16 class is an outlier. 20ish in the previous 2 classes and I hear a big class next week.

274 people on the current seniority list have hire dates of 6/24 or later and that includes the 9/16 class. So.....almost 90 per month at least starting training for the past 3 months..... ("at least" because some additional number may have already quit).

Compared to prior to June 25th.....30ish in the 1st ~half of this year and 50-60 in each of the previous 3 years. These are numbers remaining on the list - no clue how many actually started training from those hire dates.

They seem to be getting the training dept ramped up and seem to be able to recruit and land the goals of 600 for this year and another 600 for next. Attrition seems to be continuing,...... I think these two factors spell "movement".

Originally Posted by BusBoy88

You're pretty lucky it was ultimately followed. If Newy and a lot of the senior, vocal ASA pilots had gotten the "divorce" they wanted, you wouldn't have to be complaining about the ERJ contract and avionics and you could still be flying the mighty awesome CRJ as a new hire at Skywest.

Originally Posted by John Carr

I believe that's not entirely true.

As in, there was an exception made of doing an SLI first, THEN an CBA.

Whereas the policy is the opposite order.

Originally Posted by Buford Justice

Ultimately what difference did it make? Nothing of the CRJ contract survives, so what did you lose?

Originally Posted by Buford Justice

SLI was rushed in the days leading up to the August 2017 Delta exit announcement. There was not time for JCBA, nor did we have any leverage at that point either.

Originally Posted by John Carr

Is that a serious question? The CRJ side was able to be integrated and keep their jobs, THAT'S WHAT. I didn't lose a single thing.

What survived was YOUR JOB. Which should be used to keep generating a paycheck and get your resumes out and your apps up to date so you can GTFO of the regional whipsaw game, if you haven't already. Seemed to work for "Blackhawk".

But nice dance around/dodge on the FACT that policy wasn't followed, and you are incorrect.

If you've been around long enough and are familiar with certain players, the ERJ side wouldn't have been afforded the consideration of making an exception to merger policy.



And if the CRJ side hadn't been such colossal donkies at the start, it wouldn't even have gotten to that point..

Are you complaining that there was a rushed SLI? Even though it was contrary to ALPA merger policy?

You sound EXACTLY like the kind of pilot Phantom is describing.

Originally Posted by flynd94

12 years and left in August for UA.

I am jaded since I dealt firsthand with the ASA MEC in the beginning. There was a lot of “we bought you”. I still remember my first interaction with Newy....