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04-03-2019, 07:10 AM
#411
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Originally Posted by Erj135dude
I really want all these things to be true, but seems to me that so far it's mostly good thoughts, opinion and expectations rather than facts.
And I say this while strongly considering interviewing with you guys. I guess I want to find and equilibrium between optimistic and realistic.
And I say this while strongly considering interviewing with you guys. I guess I want to find and equilibrium between optimistic and realistic.
The hiring at XJT right now is the type of hiring that leads to upgrades. Can't have captains without FO's. Get a bunch of FO's on the property and you can start upgrading senior FO's, especially when you have airframes in the desert that need to be manned. I wouldn't be surprised to see several upgrade classes this year with the upgrade times dropping to 3 years or less. That will probably really result in a stampede back to XJT, but those arriving won't be guaranteed the same upgrade time.
Someone still on property can probably give more insight, however.
04-03-2019, 07:55 AM
#412
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Posts: 163
Originally Posted by SpringLanding
79 on the seniority list for 2019.
48 since Mar 4 class. So averaging 16 per class every week now. If they start 1 class per week starting yesterday, that will bring 64 per month.
For someone on the list right now, that means their relative seniority will grow by 4.4% a month just by growth. If XJT keeps sending 20 per month to UA and 20 to others (retire, or other airlines), you'll move up by 104 spots a month - a relative move of *7% per month*.
To hire 600 as repeatedly stated they will, that means they will need to keep up this pace for the rest of the year - 8 months and change.
If that happens, someone on the bottom of the list now will have a seniority close to 50% by Christmas. Upgrade times will drop through the basement. I doubt anyone hired in March will have to fly weekends or holidays if they don't feel like it.
I know this is pilot math, but if this is even close to what actually happens, this will be one heck of a wave.
48 since Mar 4 class. So averaging 16 per class every week now. If they start 1 class per week starting yesterday, that will bring 64 per month.
For someone on the list right now, that means their relative seniority will grow by 4.4% a month just by growth. If XJT keeps sending 20 per month to UA and 20 to others (retire, or other airlines), you'll move up by 104 spots a month - a relative move of *7% per month*.
To hire 600 as repeatedly stated they will, that means they will need to keep up this pace for the rest of the year - 8 months and change.
If that happens, someone on the bottom of the list now will have a seniority close to 50% by Christmas. Upgrade times will drop through the basement. I doubt anyone hired in March will have to fly weekends or holidays if they don't feel like it.
I know this is pilot math, but if this is even close to what actually happens, this will be one heck of a wave.
04-03-2019, 08:21 AM
#415
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Position: E135 FO
Posts: 295
Originally Posted by Blackhawk
As I've written before, regional airlines are much like stocks. The ones that are beaten down are often very good buys, but by the time "the street" recommends buying you've often missed the greatest gain.
The hiring at XJT right now is the type of hiring that leads to upgrades. Can't have captains without FO's. Get a bunch of FO's on the property and you can start upgrading senior FO's, especially when you have airframes in the desert that need to be manned. I wouldn't be surprised to see several upgrade classes this year with the upgrade times dropping to 3 years or less. That will probably really result in a stampede back to XJT, but those arriving won't be guaranteed the same upgrade time.
Someone still on property can probably give more insight, however.
The hiring at XJT right now is the type of hiring that leads to upgrades. Can't have captains without FO's. Get a bunch of FO's on the property and you can start upgrading senior FO's, especially when you have airframes in the desert that need to be manned. I wouldn't be surprised to see several upgrade classes this year with the upgrade times dropping to 3 years or less. That will probably really result in a stampede back to XJT, but those arriving won't be guaranteed the same upgrade time.
Someone still on property can probably give more insight, however.
04-03-2019, 08:23 AM
#416
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Position: E135 FO
Posts: 295
Originally Posted by PontiusPilot
What would convince you? People are beating you to seniority in the meantime.
Class dates announced:
4 classes in April
3 classes in May
4 classes in June
Class dates announced:
4 classes in April
3 classes in May
4 classes in June
I have a class with Skywest on June 3rd. June 4th with XJT huh?
04-03-2019, 08:32 AM
#419
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 242
Originally Posted by Erj135dude
Could someone post a screenshot of a typical trip?. I was able to see skywest and envoy pairings and would like to include expressjet in the comparison. PMs welcome of course
Routes and overnights vary greatly. Some are pure pairings where you go in and out of your domicile hub. Some leave your hub and don't return until the last leg. Some will touch 2 or more United hubs in one 4 day. Some have international, some don't. You could see Canada and Mexico in one 4 day trip. In other words, they vary greatly.
If I had to rank our hubs for size and variety, I would say:
1. Houston
2. Chicago
3. Newark
4. Cleveland
04-03-2019, 08:42 AM
#420
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Posts: 1,888
Originally Posted by Erj135dude
So senior FOs will benefit from this hiring wave, but new hires might not, right?
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