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Old 08-17-2019 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Embxjt
Sounds like a flow could fix the problem
Think of the worst captains or FOs you have ever flown with.

For pilots at Envoy, those people will flow to AA. I do not really see that as a net benefit. It is actually in some cases terrifying.

Unless you are one of those people.
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Old 08-17-2019 | 05:00 PM
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I've heard something along those lines as well about ExpressJet getting a "staple" instead of a flow.
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Old 08-17-2019 | 06:40 PM
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I've heard something along those lines as well about ExpressJet getting a "staple" instead of a flow.


Only 2 posts on APC and you already have inside info on United’s plans? Why would they staple EV and not C5?

Sure seems to be a lot of recruiters hopping on here lately. Maybe we should actually improve the contract and attract more applicants.


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Old 08-18-2019 | 06:59 AM
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What exactly is a staple?
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Old 08-18-2019 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by watch
What exactly is a staple?
It is the mythical unicorn used as a carrot to keep more pilots from leaving.
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Old 08-18-2019 | 08:52 AM
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What exactly is a staple?


Print out UAL’s seniority list, print out XJT’s seniority list and place it in the bottom of the stack. Then staple them together.


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Old 08-18-2019 | 09:13 AM
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Lots of fairy tales being said on these forums.
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Old 08-18-2019 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by watch
What exactly is a staple?
Ask the ExTWA pilots. A good portion got stapled to the bottom of the AA pilot seniority list when they were bought. The FAs, every single one, got stapled to the bottom of the AA FA seniority list. Then every single one got furloughed.

But what has happened has happened. ExTWA folks have moved on, 18 years later.

Stapling WO RJs to the parent airline could make sense, if it happened. Not saying it should or will. Just my opinion.
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Old 08-18-2019 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by watch
Think of the worst captains or FOs you have ever flown with.

For pilots at Envoy, those people will flow to AA. I do not really see that as a net benefit. It is actually in some cases terrifying.

Unless you are one of those people.
These ones you mention are actually flying UNITED passengers; just not at mainline. What is the difference wether you experience terrifying at XJT or United? If flow is not the solution to too much seniority, what is?
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Old 08-18-2019 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Embxjt
These ones you mention are actually flying UNITED passengers; just not at mainline. What is the difference wether you experience terrifying at XJT or United? If flow is not the solution to too much seniority, what is?
Making it so uncomfortable for the most senior and at the top of the payroll that it’s not worth staying. Short term pain for a long term gain.
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