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Old 08-18-2019 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
People who live in outstation towns are pretty much a captive audience. That’s why regional service can be so bad and still get used. There’s really no other alternative. If you live in BTR and need to get to Houston........you have exactly ONE option.
Competition might disagree with your theory. Econ 101. Customers want options. I guarantee you if that happened I could buy an ATR and start flying it back and forth and do quite well and your 737 wouldn’t be half full. If you are going to use the hub and spoke model this is one of its tenants.

The customer having one option would be very temporary.
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Old 08-18-2019 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Econ 101.....If you are going to use the hub and spoke model this is one of its tenants...
The word is “tenet”, professor.........

If you want to be effective with your condescension, it helps to have command of the terminology you are claiming to have knowledge of. Anything less undermines your credibility.....which is pretty thin to begin with.
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Old 08-19-2019 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
The word is “tenet”, professor.........

If you want to be effective with your condescension, it helps to have command of the terminology you are claiming to have knowledge of. Anything less undermines your credibility.....which is pretty thin to begin with.
Sorry if I offended you. I appreciate you correcting my ignorance. Still doesn’t change the fact that you can’t force 1 or 2 flights a day down these smaller markets’ throats and expect it to work.

The only thing that could change that is if the pilot shortage becomes serious enough that it’s not an option to fly smaller aircraft.
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Old 08-19-2019 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Sorry if I offended you. I appreciate you correcting my ignorance. Still doesn’t change the fact that you can’t force 1 or 2 flights a day down these smaller markets’ throats and expect it to work.

The only thing that could change that is if the pilot shortage becomes serious enough that it’s not an option to fly smaller aircraft.
What pilot shortage? Most regionals have months before pilots can even start training.
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Old 08-19-2019 | 07:14 AM
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Old 08-19-2019 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50
What pilot shortage? Most regionals have months before pilots can even start training.
I agree. My point is simply that if there are enough pilots to fly them market forces will dictate that smaller aircraft will continue to service smaller markets. Servicing a smaller city with one or two flights per day on a larger plane might sound good but won’t work. Too many obstacles in the hub and spoke model. You would extend a lot of flights for passengers to multi-day trips with huge layovers at hubs. It would invite the LCCs, etc. to start flying the smaller aircraft and quickly the customer will get what they demand. It’s a service industry.
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Old 08-19-2019 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50
What pilot shortage? Most regionals have months before pilots can even start training.


That’s not accurate.


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Old 08-19-2019 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
I’d be very happy if UAL decided to put 2 737s or Airbus 320’s instead of RJs. That would be good for me AND anybody who wants to move on. If the “stepping stone” gets too big, people decide not to step forward.......which is XJT’s biggest issue.
This fallacy mythical statement has been said for at least 20yrs now. Wash rise, repeat. Heard the same crap when I was at the regionals. Nothing is guaranteed in this business. You have no clue if you’ll ever get out to where you want to be. You may be the “lifer”, and so what if you are? Who gives a rats? It’s a job.

All the legacies have been putting mainline aircraft into cities that were predominantly RJ cities in the past. I have plenty of friends who are regional
Lifers. They're married, kids etc. I don’t think any less of them. What, they should quit to let the FO’s upgrade? Ha! It’s a dog eat dog world, and we’re all wearing milkbone underwear.
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Old 08-19-2019 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Competition might disagree with your theory. Econ 101. Customers want options. I guarantee you if that happened I could buy an ATR and start flying it back and forth and do quite well and your 737 wouldn’t be half full. If you are going to use the hub and spoke model this is one of its tenants.

The customer having one option would be very temporary.
DSPS, your theory is wrong.

You say you've been at ExpressJet for a while. I don't know if you were ERJ or CRJ? Some of your info is fishy.

I was in the Delta system for 22 years on the ASA side. About four years ago Delta started replacing RJ's with 717's in a few markets. Those markets lost frequency with the 717's coming into play. Those cities still have the same amount of seats. DCI at its peak did 52% Of Delta's flights per day. When I last had access to that info it was down to 44% of Delta's flights per day. Delta took back the flying and markets lost frequency. Now with the A220 on line we will see more flying go back in house.

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Old 08-19-2019 | 12:17 PM
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no new hires have completed training and are on the reserve list at EWR for around 30 days. Are pilots from the 4/1 class onward that delayed?

There was a big delay this summer for the CRJ transition, maybe that is still the effect.

Also, note that when a company wants to "hire anyone with a pulse" training time will go up, in some cases double. Lower quality new hires take many extra sims, instructor slots, etc. However, from the seniority numbers it looks like the company has been cutting the fat from the new hire list much more than before.

Anecdotally, how many new hires are fired in training? I've seen about 15% from my class and others surrounding it.
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