I have no interest in getting involved in this **** storm, but you say XJT has better prospects right now than YX in terms of getting time and moving on.

Aren't their (XJT) upgrade times like 6 years right now? I don't remotely doubt they will come down IF they can get more staffing for their new planes, but it seems exceedingly unlikely they'll drop below 3-4 years in the short-medium term. That said, I don't know a whole lot about what the roster looks like at XJT (just what I've gleaned from on here).

That is a pretty crappy prospect for a new hire, when they could go just about anywhere else and be looking at an LCC/major job in that time.

 

I guess it also depends on how many left in that time period.

 

Too soon to know. They’re all assigned to IAH, but that’s a temporary thing while they’re in training.

All of them are going to the E145. I guess it could change but I wouldn’t expect it.

 

You’re a new hire at YX correct? Do a little research, you will be amazed of the history of YX.

Pilots are our own worst enemy. You wonder why pay is low. The whipsaw, SJS and the inability to work together across the industry

 

https://youtu.be/u8CIjrGhfmc

 

Here we go with the "whipsaw" argument. ( kinda like the pilot shortage that everyone bought into)

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A whipsaw is a type of handsaw worked by two people, one of whom stands on or above the log being sawed and the other below it, usually in a pit. The tool dates back to the 15th century, but it was not until the 1870s that anyone thought to use the saw's name figuratively to describe situations in which someone or something is doubly "cut," or hurt. Today, the word is commonly used when discussing financial crises or losses. For example, just recently a chief executive explained in a press statement that his company was "whipsawed in the fourth quarter as key industries were hit by a rapidly deteriorating economy and plunging commodity prices." (The New York Times, January 27, 2009)

SJS- Correct, XJET is going through it now...

Inability to work together across the industry- Correct, its always been that way and it always will. (CYA)

 

It’s already at 5 years. I’m not there any more so I don’t track the numbers but XJT has a bunch of -145’s parked in the desert waiting for crews to fly them. If they are able to keep getting new hires at this rate you will probably see it drop to 3-4 years by the end of 2019.
That’s the thing with upgrade times. They can change rapidly.

 

It’s under 4 now for upgrades will be 3 or less by end of the year. These clowns are from Republic lol the step child of the big 3 that none of them want much to do with and are forced at this point to tolerate since they had to be saved from being bankrupt (nice history), they have little to no prospects or relationships with majors for moving on. I know for a fact that Delta prefers not to have them and would like to get rid of them as soon as they can, wont be soon enough unfortunately. It explains why these losers keep wetting their pants over all the positives at XJT, they are regional lifers (permanent bottom feeders) but clearly too stupid to know it.

 

This thread is like watching dogs fight under the table for scraps from their owners table and arguing what will fall next. All regionals feed off of the scraps. The owner will feed the dog more that is favored at the time. The dog who is favored will change and some will simply go away and starve to death.

 

I actually don't have a dog in this particular fight other than a philosophical one. But in general terms, no I think you are wrong, simply from basic queuing theory.

Right now XJT has inadequate crew to staff their existing jets and flying and they are about to get MORE jets and MORE flying.

A newbie at XJT is therefore likely to spend relatively little time on reserve and then be flying his or her butt off shortly after completing IOE. That is NOT the case at a considerable number of other regionals. Newbie's at many regional's ARE in reserve for prolonged periods of time and worse yet get very little flying while on reserve, little enough in many cases that they have trouble making consolidation time within the prescribed limits in some cases.

On another thread an Endeavor FO was describing his first year. Economically he did well, at least by Regional standards, but his total logged hours for the whole year was 200, albeit some of that training delays.

The point is that before you can even LEGALLY upgrade you need 1000 hours. The issue is how quick can you get those hours as well as how much seniority you need to upgrade.

We are heading into a time of unparalleled mandatory retirements at the majors with simultaneous pilot shortages in the military. And you are correct that ULCCs and ACMI are taking people - even with no PIC at all.

There is going to be movement in all the regional's because of this hiring wave, but I would maintain that for the newbie TODAY the smartest thing they can do is hire on where they are going to really fly you, GET YOUR HOURS, and move on. If you can live in base and fly for XJT, I would certainly prefer it over places that have better contracts and better pay (like Endeavor of Republic) but are going to get you to the majors several years later. Short term pain for long term gain. It's as simple as that.